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From: oleg@crash.cts.com (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: not good news
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Date: 16 Oct 90 03:58:15 GMT
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In article <1990Oct15.150005.4396@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>In article <1990Oct15.132313.24705@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes:
>>OK. Here's what I saw on the news wire:
>>
>>Mac Classic $999. 9-in BW screen. 68000 processor.
>>
>>Mac LC $3,098. 68020 processor. 2 Meg RAM. Hard Disk. Color capabilities.
>>
>>Mac IIsi. $3,769. 68030 processor. 2 Meg RAM. 80 Meg HD.
>>
>	Everyone, before you start saying that these prices suck
>they are list price, not educational.
>	-- Ethan
>
>Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>
>*Iraq += *Kuwait;
>NumCountries--;
>
>and by popular demand...
>
>free(Kuwait);


Ahh, go ahead and say that they suck. The prices that I have on a flier
I got from the UCSD bookstore listing MSRPs for Mac products and
comparing them to Intel systems (gee, no Amiga comparisons) are as
follows:

McClassic $1,499.00
SE/30     $3,498.00
MacLC (with an '020 :-) $3,098.00 (with built in sampler at 22KHz or
11KHz, mono sound, 1 CPU slot (gee, for only another grand you'll be
able to get an '030 :-), 8bits/pixel at 512x384, 4bits/pixel at
640x480, unnamed "expansion options" available for graphics)
MacIIsi ('030 @ 20 MHz) $5,097.00 (built in sound sampler 22/11 KHz,
stereo output, 8bits/pixel at 640x480, 4bits/pixel at 640x870, 1 NuBus
OR CPU slot).

I saw the mahines today, played around with them for an hour or so,
and they are NOT impressive. Mac Classic is your basic repackaged Mac
Plus, LC has an '020 in it (@ 16 MHz), IIsi is nice, but the pricing
is Apple to the core (BTW the bookstore folks said that Mac Classics
won't be available until next Monday due to a bug in the OS on the
units they received; and that students should expect some discounts,
but not "big huge ones"). 

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I don't see how the refresh rate can be slow on a 16 or 25 MHz 68030 CPU.  Sure, the CPU takes on a big burden, but it's a fast CPU.  The 8 MHz Amiga does great color animation and game-play - I would think a 16 or 25 MHz 68030 color Mac 
would at least be its equal, don't you? --a MacIIseries owner on c.s.mac.games


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