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From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User)
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Subject: Re: SCSI cards
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Date: 12 Oct 90 06:53:19 GMT
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In article <90284.212510TS8RBOTW@MIAMIU.BITNET> TS8RBOTW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>First question:  I'll be getting a HD soon, but before I sink almost $1000
>into my IIGS, I want to know about my future prospects... In the slight
>chance that I will eventually get out of the Apple II market, I will most
>probably move to macintosh (heaven forbid).  Anyway, seeing as how I'll get
>a SCSI drive, I'll be able to use that on the mac, but what about the SCSI
>cards?  Will the Apple High Speed SCSI card and/or the RamFAST SCSI card
>work on a mac?  I'd really like the RamFAST SCSI, but if it won't work on
>the mac, I'll stick with the Apple card.

	No, the Mac (all varieties) has a SCSI port built in. Analogous
to the disk drive port on the GS, but you hook up SCSI devices to it.
Virtually all (if not all) Macs have had it.. I think maybe the 128K
Mac and the Mac Plus didn't have it... not sure.

>Second question:  I just discovered a few IIGSs in the computer lab...
>unfortunately, they're the "Woz edition."  (with Woz' signature, even!)
>Therefore, very little of today's software runs on it.  What I was wondering
>was, is there any kind of upgrade available for this computer?

	Yeah there's about 6 GSes in my college on campus (my college
meaning one of the residential colleges that are a part of UCSC). They
were originally bought by the education department I think... I guess
they got them so people who wanted to be teachers would use what was in
schools??? I don't really get it either... But even I, a total GS person,
think it was kinda dumb for a University to buy GSes. Right now they're
sitting in a computer lab with a bunch of Macs, and the GSes all sit
with their power off all of the time. FORTUNATELY, 5/6 (or all but one
of them) actually -HAVE- 3.5" drives hooked up to them. MIRACULOUS. 
They're all 256K machines though... Oh yeah, I saw a floppy in one of
the drives, and checked it out. IT WAS A System Disk 1.1!! God, I'd puke
if I had to use that.
	So I'm actually going to try to write up a 'proposal' and send 
it to someone on campus who has some kind of authority in these
matters. I don't think it'll do diddley squat, but I'll mention getting
one meg total memory for each minimum... And how they can all be
networked with the Macs to Imagewriters/Laserprinters just as easily
as the Macs.. And even putting them on a server would make it faster
and disks less needed.  And AppleWorks GS would be a great thing to put
on these networks. Also, I'll say that I have lots of freeware/shareware
software that could be used.. (AND give them a (few) copy(copies) of
System Disk 5.0.)

	Oh yes, back to my main point. If they're ROM 01 Woz machines
you're talking about, they -will- run "today's software". They just probably
need more memory or possibly the free upgrade to ROM 01 status. I have
an upgraded //e (a GS in a //e case) that's the equivalent to the Woz
machines you described.

	Wow.. long post.. If anyone has any other ideas of constructive
things I could say to the person I'm going to mail on campus so that 
it would be worth it spending at least a couple hundred (for RAM and maybe
AppleTalk stuff), please mail me and tell me.

	By the way, I'm going to offer to do system upgrades and hooking
up AppleTalk, etc., for free... Heck, I'd rather do a few hours work and
see the GSes being USED than see then all turned off and being a big
waste of -MY- fees!

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