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From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: We've been EMULATED.
Summary: Legal Stuff...
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Date: 16 Oct 90 03:43:03 GMT
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In article <2696@naucse.cse.nau.edu>, tar@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Tim Roeder) writes...
>In article <6343@cica.cica.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
>> In article <13612@cs.utexas.edu>, psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes... 
>> >I have copies of both of the emulators, I plan to send them to Atari and see
>> >what the legal dept. thinks.  Anyone interested can get them at the following
>> 
>> Of what relevance is Atari's opinion?
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the authors?
> 
>Of what relevance?  Only concerns about possible violations of copyright
>laws...nah, that's not relevant.  You're right about asking the authors,
>though.  Just where did they get their copies of TOS?

I'd like to know too.  I have the program, which does NOT come with any
documentation.  It's rather interesting though, since I have never used
an Atari (yes, it's true....I have an Amiga ;-) ).

BTW: I ftp'ed a program called "amiga_em", which is a "joke" amiga emulator.
Very cute.  Made my amiga emulating an atari look just like an amiga!

Wow!  What was really bizarre is when I used that same program to emulate an
atari, emulated by an emulated amiga, emulated by an emulated atari, on my
amiga....got that?!!!

If I recall, the poster of the program (to abcfd20) included a short blurb
about how HE modified the original to change all German words to English.
He also mentioned that he did NOT know whether the program was legal.

> 
>> 
>> Amiga already has a darned good Macintosh emulator, which uses Mac Roms,
>> and it is perfectly legal.
>> 
> 
>As the ST has a good Mac emulator, which is also legal since it requires
>the use of Mac ROMS, which, incidently are COPYRIGHTED.
> 
>> I bring this up because it seems that the obvious answer from Atari will
>> be "No! It is not legal."  There is no real way to know this until some
>> kind of legal precedent is set because Atari, in their own best interests
>> will probably say whatever is in their favor.
> 
>I believe what you say (as regards to your motives), but am somewhat
>amazed at your apparent lack of knowledge and/or concern about possible
>copyright violations.  I'm not aware of Atari having licensed a s/w
>bootable version of TOS that can be used by said emulator.

Actually, when I wrote this, I was thinking more of the old (and hopefully
dead) battles between Apple, Microsoft, and others over the so-called "look-
and-feel" gui's, which everyone knows were created by Xerox...NOT Apple.

It is true that if the program is claimed to be shareware or pd AND legal,
which, incidentally it is not (no docs), then the burden of proof of its
legality falls on the shoulders of the writers (assuming they meant for it
to be distributed in the first place).

I meant no disregard for concern about copyright violations.


>Please note that I am not intending to flame -- I just want to clear up
>any misconceptions you might have.

Jim

-> ->Disclaimer: I'm not ashamed of what I say. <- <-
     Sorry if the above disclaimer is too long.
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