Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!mcnc!uvaarpa!vger.nsu.edu!manes From: manes@vger.nsu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: New Apple Mac rumored... Message-ID: <67.271b2c30@vger.nsu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 90 19:50:07 GMT References: <6025@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> <1990Oct11.205554.14111@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <64.2719df59@vger.nsu.edu> <1990Oct16.143019.878@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: usa Lines: 82 In article <1990Oct16.143019.878@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: > In article <64.2719df59@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu writes: >>In article <1990Oct11.205554.14111@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >>> That was no rumour. Several reputable magazines have printed these >>> prices. The Mac classic is priced in such a matter that I can't >>> imagine anyone in that price range buying an Amiga or an Atari. >> >>Huh? >> >>Pardon me? Are you saying that the only real win that the Amiga or >>the ST has is its price? Come on. Have you ever tried to do >>desktop video on a Mac? Pleeeze... > > Yes, that is what I'm saying. Who cares about desktop video. That is a Who cares about spreadsheets and word processors? We have been able to do both since the very beginning. You are not making your point. > very small niche market. The average person is going to use their > computer for wordprocessing and spreadsheets and things of this nature. > Show me one ST or Amiga spreadsheet that comes close to comparing > with Excel. Show me one drawing program as easy to use as MacDraw II. > Show me some DTP programs (OK Calamus is good) that come close to > putting on a laserprinter what is on the monitor. There are a few > ISOLATED software packages for the Amiga and the ST which are indeed > great, but the vast majority are not nearly as polished ans useful > as Mac counterparts. You can give me all the computer.religion > arguments you want, but the ease of use and quality of use aspects > of a computer play a more important role in my mind. So now you are saying that the "productivity" software that is available is really the only reason people want to buy computers? I will certainly grant that the Amiga community does not have anything of the caliber of Excel. However the Mac has nothing like Deluxe Paint III, nor 3d Professional, etc. etc. My point is that you can't simply say that Amiga and ST are about to die because the great lord of Apple has introduced low cost machines. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The more appropriate comment would be that Commodore and Atari will have to work a bit harder in pushing their wares. That is it. Commodore and Atari have the advantage of knowing the market they are selling to. Apple knows little of this, and will find things different. > > Maybe they weren't competetive because they didn't have to be to sell > their product. Now that the market is reaching saturation, they > are cutting their margins. No big surprise there. Why sell a > product for $10 when people are willing to pay $20? Did not have to sell their product? Come on. The reason that apple introduced these machines was to recapture the marketshare that was lost by the clones, Amigas and the ST. Something about "value" for the dollar comes to mind. Personally I think Apple still has some very important lessons to learn, about what consumers want in a computer. > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------+--------------------------- > Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns > cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! > (c)All rights reserved. | > Send flames to /dev/null | > ------------------------------+--------------------------- -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================