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From: gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
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Subject: Re: Next intro: any effect on Mac _high-end_ prices?
Message-ID: <1990Oct14.053734.11894@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: 14 Oct 90 04:22:55 GMT
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In article <1990Oct13.231403.22834@d.cs.okstate.edu>, minich@d.cs.okstate.edu (Robert Minich) writes...
 
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Robert, you made some very good points.  Also some Next agitprop (e.g., if Next
gains market share, it is just as -- if not more -- likely that it will come at
the expense of companies like Sun as it is that it will come from Apple).

But on to the
>Price comparison...


> 
>Apple Educational (off my price list):
>Mac IIfx 4/80   $6514

Remember, it has 6 slots compared to 0 for the Nextstation.

>+4MB              400 (700 from Apple)

$400 is WAY overpriced!  You should be able to get 4 megs for less than $200. 
Try Technology works.

>Apple 2 page     1505

Isn't the Next display smaller than 2 pages?  How much would it cost you to get 
a Next-sized grayscale monitor from Radius or someone?

>  + disp card     630 (Apple 8*24)

Rmember, you can never display 24 bit color on the Nextstation.  16 bit is it,
at least for now.  (Yes, you can get -- very expensive -- 24 bit color on the
cube and Nextdimension).  For this $630 or close to it you can get 24 bit color
from RasterOps and others.

>ether             300?(NuvoLink II)
>LaserWrtr IIntx  3149 

Try a personal LaserWriter.  After all, I don't think the Next printer is
easily networked, is it?  You'd probably save, what, about $1k if you went the
personal LW route.
>Extended KB       160
>                -----
>               $12658
> 
>Bundled:
>  HyperCard, TeachText (!)
>======
> 
>NeXT Educational:
>NeXTstation    $3500 ($4995 retail list; includes 68040, 8MB RAM,
>                      105MB HD, 1120x832 92dpi 2bit greyscale, ethernet
>                      on the mother board, no slots, 2.8MB floppy, KB/Mouse)
>NeXT laser      1400 (400 dpi)
>                ----
>               $4900

Remember, one big advantage to the Mac is that you can shop around and get a
lot of stuff from 3rd parties.  With Next this is much harder.  Also, if you
didn't quite need the speed of the IIfx, you could get a much better deal.  The
IIci is MUCH cheaper, and fairly fast (neither as fast as the Next, though).

I get tired of people making bogus price comparisons between the Mac and the
Next.  The cost/benefit ratio of the Nextstation is impressive enough that
you'd think people wouldn't do that.

Robert

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