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From: ls1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Leonard John Schultz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: NeXT Mach (was Re: UNIX is yuck (was Re: Next intro...)
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Date: 14 Oct 90 00:37:25 GMT
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On 07-Oct-90 in UNIX is yuck (was Re: Next ..
user pfr654@csc.anu.oz.au writes:
>I am a long time Mac user and have just recently had to learn some UNIX for 
>a Decstation 3100.
> 
>IT IS HORRIBLE!
> 
>UNIX is an ancient operating system! Invented in the time of dinasour 
>computers with less power than a Mac Plus!!
> 
>It may have some multitasking/virtual memory features that the MacOS does 
>not have at present, but when the Mac gets there it will blow UNIX away!
> 
>I know that UNIX can be made to do just about anything, and that Apple's 
>A/UX can now run 32 bit clean Mac programs in a Mac-like manner, BUT if you 
>are forever putting nice front ends onto an OS why not start at the start 
>and have a nice OS (from the user's point of view anyway)?

I believe we are missing the point of the original post that started
this string.  That is, is the Apple in trouble with the intro of the new
NeXTs.  I believe so.  
Why?  becaust NeXTstep is incredibly intuitive and "mac like", but has
all of the power and customizability of Mach (unix) underneath.  Nobody
is denying that unix is more powerful than the simplistic Mac OS. 
Except for this one person who thinks that multitasking is all there is
to unix.  Mach contains everything that System 7.0 is promising and
more, and it has it NOW!  No more release dates being pushed back 6
months.  (Did you know that the Mac OS does not support the DMA in the
IIfx and 7.0 won't either?)

Out of all of you people who have been ragging on unix, how many of you
have actually used the NeXT and NeXTstep?  I suggest you try it.  It is
incredibly easy to use.  You could swear that you were working on a
Macintosh with a much nicer looking interface.  You never have to see
the unix heritege if you don't want to.  You can play with your windows,
icons, menus, and do simple "control panel" customizations until your
arm fall off and never have to type something in at the command line. 
Just as NeXT has bee tauting it, Unix for mere mortals!  Once you've
seen one NeXT application, you've seen them all because of the common,
consistant user interface.  And if you want to do some programming, the
power of unix is there for the taking.  

That is the one thing I always hated about Mac.  It is so close ended
and so difficult to write a simple program or utility.

That's why I am selling my mac and just put an order in for a color
NeXTstation with 3 times the memory of a IIfx, 3 times the speed, 2
times the hard drive space, 4 times the hard drive transfer rate, 200
times the networking speed, 20 times the number of colors, 2 times the
floppy size, 4/3 times the screen and printer resolution, larger screen,
all for less than HALF the cost (at university prices).  I left out alot
of the hardware that the NeXT has that the Mac has no equivalent for.

Len Schultz
Carnegie Mellon University