Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!emory!rsiatl!jgd From: jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. DeArmond) Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Which GPL applies? Message-ID: <4326@rsiatl.UUCP> Date: 15 Oct 90 20:57:50 GMT References: <2058@sixhub.UUCP> <4196@lib.tmc.edu> Organization: Radiation Systems, Inc. (a thinktank, motorcycle, car and gun works facility) Lines: 49 jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard) writes: >In article <2058@sixhub.UUCP> davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (bill davidsen) asks the >musical question: >>Which GPL applies to programs which say that they are >>copyright under the conditions of the GPL? >The GPV addresses this question itself. Acutally a pundit could argue that NONE of them apply. Not only is the whole concept of a unilaterial "license" contract not signed or accepted by both parties subject to a great deal of legal challenge [1], I believe the Duck Defense would apply here. (Duck Defense - "If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and swims like a duck, you can call it a chicken but it's still a duck") In this case, the giving away of the source and calling it "free" sure makes it look like a duck of the public domain variety to me, FSF's attempt to quibble about the definition of "free" aside. But hey, the debate serves to fill up all those empty bit slots in my Telebits. I think they'd get lonely if they didn't handle 50 mb/day :-) [1] If one wants to argue that one has "accepted" a license by virtue of opening the package or using the code in the case of GNU, then another can follow that same logic thread and say that the provider of the license "accepts" any unilateral changes I want to make to the contract before I "accept" it. If the provider argues that my signature is not necessary to validate my acceptance of the contract, I can argue that his signature is not necessary to validate HIS acceptance of MY changes. And remember that contract law provides that a contract will be construed AGAINST the side that wrote the contract. [Note to GNU zealots - To save rehashing the old arguments for the Nth (where N approaches infinity) time, I'll state that I support the general concept of FSF, that is that source should always be available and preferably free. What I reject is the concept that anyone can dictate what I do with MY code, a contract notwithstanding. To that end I consider the GPL to be interesting reading in the same vein as "Red Storm Rising" - realistic sounding but in reality fiction.] John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC | We can no more blame our loss of freedom on congress Radiation Systems, Inc. | than we can prostitution on pimps. Both simply Atlanta, Ga | provide broker services for their customers. {emory,uunet}!rsiatl!jgd| - Dr. W Williams | **I am the NRA**