Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!tellab5!laidbak!mcdchg!att!cbnews!military From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Persian Gulf Combat Aircraft--The A-4 Skyhawk Message-ID: <1990Oct16.010857.11040@cbnews.att.com> Date: 16 Oct 90 01:08:57 GMT References: <1990Oct8.030359.11680@cbnews.att.com> <1990Oct8.220810.7180@cbnews.att.com> <1990Oct10.000352.29743@cbnews.att.com> <1990Oct11.050750.29021@cbnews.att.com> <1990Oct15.033730.12655@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military-request@att.att.com Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 25 Approved: military@att.att.com From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >From: pmorriso@gara.une.oz.au (Perry Morrison MATH) >This could be legend only, but I dimly recall the A-4 as one of the >few (perhaps last?) aircraft design projects to equal or surpass the >design/mission specs without going over budget. It was bang on the money >and I believe the designers were accused of lying when they claimed they >could deliver such performance at the stated price. Ed Heinemann, Douglas's chief designer, was accused not only of lying but of insanity. The original specs -- which at least one other major company rejected as impractical -- were for a 30,000lb aircraft, while Heinemann proposed to meet them at 15,000lb. He did it, on time and on budget. As far as I know, this has never been equalled before or since. The closest similar performance was Heinemann's previous effort, the A-3 Skywarrier strategic bomber, which others rejected at 100,000lbs and he brought in successfully at 68,000lbs (he had incentive -- the bigger number assumed operation from a supercarrier, and Heinemann correctly believed that the then-current supercarrier project would be cancelled, so he had to make his bomber operate off existing carriers). -- "...the i860 is a wonderful source | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology of thesis topics." --Preston Briggs | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry