Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!usc.edu From: wilber@usc.edu (John Wilber) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Is there a definition of Feminism? Summary: More rights or just enough? Message-ID: <12445@chaph.usc.edu> Date: 11 Oct 90 06:35:14 GMT References: <86828@aerospace.AERO.ORG> <1190@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <655436645@lear.cs.duke.edu> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 20 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R In article <655436645@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: >judy@altair.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer): >#feminism (n) - the belief that women and men should be allowed equal ># opportunities within society and that these opportunities should ># not be based on social prejudices based upon sexual stereotypes. >In article <1190@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> marla@Eng.Sun.COM (Marla Parker) writes: >>This "part" of the definition seems to be the only common idea >>that everyone includes in their definition of feminism. >In *practice*, the only part that most feminists agree is that >women should have more rights. I hate to pick nits (well, not really ;-), but a more proper way of putting it would be that feminists agree that women have the same rights as men and those rights should be recognized. Under some definitions, I am a feminist, but not really under the "more rights for women" definition. I think there are a lot more folks like me than those who just want "more rights" regardless of the nature of rights (whether you stop having them when they are violated) and whether wanting "more" is necessarily good (since eventually, they would have "enough" rights) since "more" is relative to how "many" they have now.