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From: morphy@truebalt.cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy)
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Subject: Re: Newspaper Article
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Date: 15 Oct 90 17:04:44 GMT
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2flmlife@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>You might want to take a moment to read Matthew Fox, and a little
>stuff on liberation theology before you say catholocism and feminism
>are incompatible.  And there are historical women prophets, both in
>Tanakh and Catholic history.  Hildegard of Bingen being one of my
>favorites.

These women are outnumbered a thousand to one. I'm disappointed that anyone
would undertake to be an apologist for this grotesque situation.

>	Rosemary Radford Ruether, may also be someone to look into.
>Basically Patriarchy and feminism are incompatible, but suprisingly
>enough, Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions need not be patriarchal.

Go yell that out on a Saudi street sometime.

>are the seeds of all.

>		-Hildegarde of Bingen
>		German Catholic prophetess of the 11th Century.
>		Abbess of both a men's and women's monastery.

>And for a Prophetess in Tanakh:

In case you hadn't noticed, my point was not that God didn't speak to women at
all, but that he(!) had a lopsided preference for men. OK, you've found two
women over 3 thousand years. What about the thousands of men? What about the
scriptures themselves, which are quite patriarchal and completely counter to
feminism?


Jones Murphy
Caltech