Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!iuvax!bionet!PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU!T80SMS1%NIU From: T80SMS1%NIU@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Revisiting Kin Selection Message-ID: <9010261818.AA07434@genbank.bio.net> Date: 26 Oct 90 14:02:00 GMT Sender: daemon@genbank.bio.net Lines: 22 xia writes: >I think this is quite misleading. When an altruistic mutant >arises in a non-altruistic population, the genetic relatedness >of this altruistic mutant to its kins has nothing to do with the >inclusive fitness of this particular altruistic gene because >this mutated gene is not identical by descent to any other genes >in the population. So the gene suffers no matter how much >benefit the altruist can bring to its relatives. Aha!! You have rediscovered the boundary conditions problem of group selection models. There was an extensive discussion of this (reams of papers) in the 70's dealing specificly with kin selection models. More generally, Wright's shifting balance models deal with this problem. See 2 papers by D. S. Wilson (Ann. Rev. Ecol. Syst. 14:159-187; Evolution 41:1059). The second in particular deals with conditions necessary for establishment of an altruistic allele. Sam Scheiner Northern Illinois University t80sms1@niu.bitnet