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From: scott@wiley.uucp (Scott Simpson)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: Common Lisp Package System Considered Harmful
Keywords: Packages, CLOS, Object-Oriented Programming, Common Lisp
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Date: 22 Oct 90 23:33:58 GMT
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In article <3596@skye.ed.ac.uk> jeff@aiai.UUCP (Jeff Dalton) writes:
>So don't use them.  I don't quite understand what you're trying to
>accomplish.  Are you hoping Common Lisp will change, that the Common
>Lisp designers will be embarrassed at their incompetence, that Common
>Lisp will tossed in the trash, or what?

I am trying to get information hiding semantics like Eiffel and Ada in
Lisp without too much effort. I have been told by many people I
can't. I believe them. I think you are being a tad touchy here. I
guess every language news group has its language zealots...

>>Exactly. Strength of will and extraordinary discipline. You hit the
>>nail on the head. This is *exactly* what I am trying to avoid.
>>Besides, if we didn't cherish information hiding, language protection
>>and ease of uses why don't we all go back to programming in assembly
>>language? They all are Turing machine equivalent anyway. Right? 
>
>Turing-equivalence is almost useless as a way to compare programming
>languages.

This is exactly what I said! I asked a rhetorical question. Reread the
paragraph starting with "Besides". You also edited my paragraph and I
fear it could be taken out of context. The last sentence of the above
paragraph stated "We need language features to help in providing
protection and ease of use."

>I would have thought a shorter message would have sufficed for that.

My apologies for not being so succinct.

P.S. I *really* promise not to post after this!
Scott Simpson			TRW			scott@coyote.trw.com