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From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: ADUS conference news
Keywords: Adus, future, OSF, DNxxxx, HP9000/400xxx
Message-ID: <1990Oct23.022445.4625@alphalpha.com>
Date: 23 Oct 90 02:24:45 GMT
References: <9010191929.AA11689@xuucp.ch.apollo.com> <853@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl>
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In article <853@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl> wjw@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) writes:
>You caught me on this one! What is OSF DCE? I know a DCE in communications,
>but that does not fit here. And furhter on in the text, what's OSF UE?
Distributed Computing Environment, aka. NCS + X.500 + Andrew File System +
PC/NFS....  User Environment, aka. Motif.

>>	There will be a PSK available in Q2 for SR10.3 support of X11R4.
>>	The R4 version of X11 will NOT be share mode. 
>Well all the nice remarks we've made about wanting a shared X11R4 server
>has gone down the drain? So much for listening to the audience !-|
>	There will, instead,
>>	be a 'hot key' that will enable users to go between X11 and the 
>>	Apollo Display Manager. 
>I'll put it mildly, is better than nothing. 
Practically speaking I'm impressed that this much will be done.  If
you want to put pressure on I think it is best put where there are
actually resources and desire to do something.  How about a DM-like
editor (or even a DM-mode in Emacs), DM keyboard mode in the Korn Shell.
Pick your favorite DM functions and let Apollo know that you want to
see those functions supported under X, on the OSF/1 product, and maybe
even fed back onto the net or to OSF in source form.  That (I hope)
might produce results.  Really, if you want this stuff - say so.
Look at it from HP's point of view.  They don't the DM from a fried
egg.  As far as they know windowing started with X and a window system
is something you run from your shell after you log in.  They have very
little concept that there is a technology here that is worthwhile.
Things like named window groups, invisible windows, a window-manager
langage - that's all unknown.  If you want them to continue it - tell them.
And frankly I'd find a modified version of Mwm that had DM functionality
much more useful than a DM hot-key in the long run - particularly if I
can use it on multiple platforms.

							-kee
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I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept
responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate
everyone else's.