Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!dptg!ulysses!ucbvax!NIC.GAC.EDU!scott From: scott@NIC.GAC.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: SPARCstation 2 --> workstation wars Message-ID: <9010190116.AA10709@mcs-server.gac.edu> Date: 19 Oct 90 01:16:06 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Lines: 53 fozzard@alumni.colorado.edu (Richard Fozzard) writes: >>If Apple came out >>with a comparable machine (a Mac with 105M, 8M, '040, etc) and offered >>it for $3000 min to educational institutions, they would sell like >>hotcakes. >> >>Of course, Apple is not doing that. >> >Now, now, let's be realistic. As anyone who works with both NeXTs and Macs >knows, a "comparable machine" is not one with the same CPU, RAM, and HD. >A 25Mhz '030 cube with a 300MB HD and 8MB RAM launches and runs apps only >slightly faster than an 8Mhz '000 Mac SE (and far slower than a 16Mhz >'020 Mac II), and 4MB RAM + 100MB HD on a Mac will hold >as many simultaneously running apps and store as much as on the cube. Of >course, the cube will have UNIX; but wasn't the whole point of NeXTStep >to *hide* us from UNIX? You missed my point. If Apple came out with an '040 Mac, with a 105M hard drive, 8M of RAM, and an 1120x832 display, all for $3000 at max discount, they would sell like hotcakes. No? >I've heard that NeXT will work with anyone who wants to license NextStep >and DPS to get it ported to new machines. This is great, this is good. >In nearly the same paragraph, I basically heard that they expected >schools to do it (it wasn't an outright statement, but that is what >it sounded like to me). This is not the way to go. I think that >NeXTStep would at least port fairly easily to Sun-[34], Mac IIs, and >VAXStations. Sparcs and DECStations (how about Personal Iris!) would >be another story, but quite doable. You seem to be a little confused here - why would it be easy to port to a Sun-4, but not a "Sparc"? Sun-4s *are* "Sparc"s! I am confused. Must have got my sun-n's mixed with sun-n-1's. Forget I said that, too. I've only ever played with sun-3, and didn't particularily enjoy it. >Aside from these minor disagreements, I echo your sentiments - I would >really like to see NeXTStep compatibility on something other than >vaporware IBM AIX systems. Then maybe I could finally buy a NeXT >or two for around here! Acutally, I was sort of wondering how an i486 system with superVGA and a Weitek (or 34010 board) would do running NextStep. Considering that those beasts are gradually creeping out into the market . . . OK, compared to NeXTs, those beasts are _stampeding_ into the market! scott hess scott@gac.edu Independent NeXT Developer (Stuart) NeXT Campus Consultant (Not much, really) GAC Undergrad (Horrid. Simply Horrid. I mean the work!)