Xref: utzoo news.groups:24576 comp.unix.internals:731 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!mcdchg!laidbak!ism.isc.com!uunet!wuarchive!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!bionet!turbo.bio.net!lear From: lear@turbo.bio.net (Eliot Lear) Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.internals Subject: Re: VOTE: voting continues on comp.unix.wizards Message-ID: Date: 19 Oct 90 17:43:16 GMT References: <18603@rpp386.cactus.org> <1990Oct18.174921.5929@ccad.uiowa.edu> <18606@rpp386.cactus.org> Followup-To: news.groups Organization: GenBank Computing Resource for Mol. Biology Lines: 53 To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org This is getting to the point of absurdity. Compounding one mistake with another is just going to make things worse. In news.groups you write: >The most commonly spread lie is that I have kept the discussion out >of news.groups out of some fear of the news.groups crowd. Nothing >could be further from the truth. I have no control over who posts >my articles to this group, and indeed, people continue to post >articles about this vote to that very group. First, I don't believe you anymore. You have done your best to hush discussion and keep criticism down. In addition, you failed to work with others who have your exact goal in mind. You had no intention of working with this group quite probably until I posted my little followup to the same plethera of groups you used to convey your feelings on the matter. I cannot dispute the logic for wanting to avoid news.groups, as it would be the easiest way to avoid a whole bunch of ``no'' votes, and yet show the backbone that you have support. However, your public statements would lead one to the opinion that you believe that only the people in comp.unix.* should be involved in decisions regarding the namespace, and that all others are just meddling in other people's business. What you are forgetting is that there are a whole bunch of news administrators who have already aliased the group to comp.unix.internals. Even if most of them unalias the group, you will have a mess, because articles will be sent to junk as a result of those who haven't. In fact, even if the esoterica group is created, the same will be true. To create unix-wizards without aliasing the other group would also be a waste, because much of the discussion now belongs in one of the other groups, and I would argue that we should give those groups a chance and the system administrators a break before warping the namespace yet again. While I admire your goal (although I dislike your duplicity), I agree with Chip that now is not the time to change comp.unix.internals to anything else, because of these problems. >>Public announcement of a vote where sysops can see it is a basic >>responsibility which you have abrogated. Your attempt to spread >>misinformation in order to justify your error is contemptible. I >>refuse to dignify your campaign with a vote. I already have a call for votes from someone else that wishes to see the issue decided. I'm not going to post *ANY* actions on this subject until you get together other individuals on this issue and elect someone to handle a vote or what have you. Again, I argue that now a bad time for this vote. Of course, who am I but your lowly moderator to make such decisions? -- Eliot Lear [lear@turbo.bio.net]