Xref: utzoo comp.unix.internals:742 news.groups:24589 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ncar!husc6!encore!houligan!epeterso From: epeterso@houligan.encore.com (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals,news.groups Subject: Re: VOTE: voting continues on comp.unix.wizards Message-ID: Date: 20 Oct 90 14:49:26 GMT References: <18603@rpp386.cactus.org> <18609@rpp386.cactus.org> Sender: news@Encore.COM Reply-To: epeterson@encore.com (Eric Peterson) Followup-To: comp.unix.internals Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Diagnostic Development Lines: 43 News-Software: NN 6.4.11 jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes: | In article lear@turbo.bio.net (Eliot Lear) writes: | >Just so that there is no misunderstanding, on the whole Mr. Haugh's | >vote does NOT follow the guidelines for newsgroup creation. | | You and the rest of the people who claim I am violating the guidelines | have repeatedly been asked to mail me your favorite version of the | guidelines so that I can point out, item by item, how I have adhered | to the absolute letter of the guidelines. In the end, it doesn't really matter whether or not you've adhered to the Guidelines to the letter. What really matters is how many system adminstrators are going to respect your so-called "vote" to carry the group. By ignoring all the due process that has been established on the net over the years, you've done more to kill comp.unix.wizards than anything "T.E." Chip Salzenberg could ever do. | Claiming that the guidelines are all | "suggestions" and not "lawis" is not a valid complaint. You never have | to follow "suggestions", that's what the difference between a | "suggestion" and a "law" is. The "should" vs. "must" argument has come up many times. However, you've got to remember that the users of Usenet are *not* the ones who ultimately have the authority over what group gets created and what doesn't; it's the SAs who have it. No matter how much whining you do or how much arguing with you anyone else does, the SAs of the network decide whether or not the group flies. | However, since this red-herring continues to be used as a reason to | oppose a legitimate vote, I have sent the "formal" "CALL FOR VOTES" | to Eliot for posting. At that point in time I suspect he will post | a note saying the vote now follows all of these unstated requirements. Somehow I doubt that. Even Kent would agree with Eliot's reasoning on this issue :-). Eric -- Eric Peterson <> epeterson@encore.com <> uunet!encore!epeterson Encore Computer Corp. * Ft. Lauderdale, Florida * (305) 587-2900 x 5208 Why did Constantinople get the works? Gung'f abobql'f ohfvarff ohg gur Ghexf.