Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!ucbvax!hplabs!hpfcso!hpfcdj!myers From: myers@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Bob Myers) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: ..but what about _output_ filtering for D/A's? Message-ID: <17660121@hpfcdj.HP.COM> Date: 17 Oct 90 18:50:27 GMT References: <1319@beguine.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett Packard -- Fort Collins, CO Lines: 24 >>And I've always wondered: can two ultrasonic sounds or an ultrasonic >>and audible sound beat to create an audible tone? > > Obviously, yes. Wait just a minute, John. As SOUND, the answer to this question is *no*. You will not, for example, hear a 1000 Hz tone when exposed to *sound sources* of, say, 20 kHz and 21 kHz. The ear doesn't work that way. (The phenonenon wherein one may tune a stringed instrument by listening for a "wavering" sound when one string approaches the frequency of the other is a case of interference producing a tremolo (varying intensity), not a vibrato (varying frequency).) (And I hope I got the musicalese right - it's been a while!) However, if such signals exist in an electronic circuit (as was the case in the instance you mention, with the ultrasonic pilot tone producing nasty results when mixed with 60 Hz), then these "beat frequencies" WILL very likely occur, as intermodulation occurs due to the non-linearities present in any amplifying device. Bob Myers KC0EW HP Graphics Tech. Div.| Opinions expressed here are not Ft. Collins, Colorado | those of my employer or any other myers@fc.hp.com | sentient life-form on this planet.