Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!spock.UUCP From: watson@spock.UUCP (Steve Watson) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Feminism's ill effects on men? Summary: Ontario College of Art: Men need not apply. Keywords: oppression reverse_discrimination Message-ID: <4955@watson> Date: 19 Oct 90 12:55:44 GMT References: <11109001:30:33RA04@lehigh.bitnet> <1990Oct18.154041.6433@ora.com> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: uunet!mitel!watson!watson@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Steve Watson) Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. Lines: 35 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R I've been skimming this thread and have belatedly remembered the following: Last year the Ontario College of Art instituted a policy according to which teaching vacancies will only be available to WOMEN. This will continue until the faculty is 50% women. At current turnover rates, this should take 10 or 20 years. (I may have some details wrong, corrections welcome) Now, I am in NO WAY a male chauvinist, sexist, misogynist or whatever. My views are in agreement with many of the definitions of feminism posted recently. According to some people, I am a feminist. I don't even object to the principle of 'affirmative action'. However, I find this extreme form reverse discrimination to be more than I can quite swallow. It constitutes a clear case of oppression of men by (an aberration of?) feminism. If you are a young male art teacher in Ontario, you are automatically disqualified from competing for a job at the province's most prestigious art school (I believe most of us would accept denial of employment for which one is otherwise qualified as constituting 'oppression'?). Some would say that past injustices need to be rectified. I agree. But you cannot correct an old evil simply by committing a new one in the opposite direction. And yes, we probably need women art teachers to give a female perspective on art (I don't think it's healthy that there are so many female nudes painted/sculpted by men, but relatively few examples of other artist/subject gender combinations. It suggests a skewed viewpoint) But the men who are locked out at OCA are NOT, in general, the ones who created the situation: it is not fair to them. Now before I get flamed, two disclaimers: 1) I'm NOT an art teacher, I'm a EE who admits to knowing diddly-squat about art. So this in no way threatens me personally. 2) I'm not saying all feminists, or feminism-in-general are doing this: I take it as an example of feminism gone crazy. -- ====================== disclaimer =============================== "Blame me, not the Company I keep..." - Steve Watson UseNet: mitel!spock!watson@uunet.uu.net