Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!emory!samsung!uunet!ora!daemon From: mittmann@ral.rpi.edu (Michael Mittmann) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Who's Exploiting Who? Message-ID: <*X4%%|+@rpi.edu> Date: 24 Oct 90 02:09:05 GMT References: <65210@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> <656288051@lear.cs.duke.edu> Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 38 Approved: ambar@ora.com In article kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan) writes: >gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: >>No, but I know people who are excited by *playing* a game like this. >>The porno you described is a *play* between adults and not a real >>rape. I hope that you can see the difference. >Most people don't. In my opinion this is blatantly false. Do you have a lover? Do you ever play games with hir? Most of the people I've spoken to about this (admittedly a small sample) do, and I would bet that they know they are playing a game. >That's my point. Last night i heard a friend say >about a woman walking dowwn the street, "I'd really like to fuck her.." >He did not know this woman, did not care to know this woman in any but >a carnal manner. My point is that he objectified her to something he >wanted to fuck. This is a completely different point. Yes, some porn movies treat women (and (IMHO) men) as sex objects. Some normal movies also do this. Did you see "Do the right thing?", police are objects, have you seen "das Boot"? all of the non-germans are objects. I don't think that that made them worse movies. Furthermore people objectify other people all the time. It is necssary, I couldn't go through life if I had to see every person I walk past and treat them as a person, I don't have enough time and brain power, consequently, in the supermarket people become moving obstacles. Objectification isn't even necessarily bad, if I see a toddler crying in a park I treat it just as I would an injured bird. It's something that is having trouble, so I try to help it. If a person has their car stuck in an intersection, I don't care about them as a person, but I will try to get the car out of the street, but they are still an object. -mike