Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!emory!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ora!daemon From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Who's Exploiting Who? Summary: Stop shooting straw men; it's a waste of lead. Message-ID: <13783@cs.utexas.edu> Date: 24 Oct 90 04:13:50 GMT References: <16098@s.ms.uky.edu> Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 36 Approved: ambar@ora.com csluder@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (KirK) writes: >> Also the statement "there is no porn that..." must take into acount >> homoerotic pornography. Is gay or lesbian porn sexist? In article , kaveh@ms.uky.EDU (Kaveh Baharestan) writes: > The lesbian porn in forum is meant for cunsumption by men. That says > it all (at least for "leasbian porn" in men's mags). I don't know what KirK meant, but one cannot dismiss lesbian and gay porn by pretending it does not exist, nor by limiting the discussion to the mandatory girl-on-girl stuff in boy's magazines like Penthouse. There is real lesbian and gay pornography, and it is often meatier stuff than the naked cheerleaders ("my turn-offs are heavy thought") and boring stories ("I stuck my foot-long piece of steel into her luscious bod") that fill the magazines that begin with P. Anyone who wants to see one example of what a lesbian writes for other lesbians can look at Pat Califia's books, such as "Macho Sluts", a collection of erotic stories, or "Doc and Fluff", a biker novel set in a dystopian future. You won't find them at your local 7-11, nor at your local dirty bookstore. You may have to venture into a woman's or lesbian or gay bookstore. Califia likes leather and S&M, and breaks all the rules that characterize the slick magazines aimed at heterosexual boys. Old women are shown both sexually active and politically empowered -- indeed, about half of "Doc and Fluff" takes place at a separatist farm -- and the author is just as likely to have two men become sexually attached as two women. The homophobic male who likes to read about nineteen year-old girls will be turned on in one paragraph, only to have his head spun in the next. Now how are you going to dismiss Pat Califia? We're not talking about the boy's magazines anymore, but about the real stuff. Russell