Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: no title given Message-ID: Date: 22 Oct 90 06:26:21 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 71 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article BINDNER@auvm.auvm.edu writes: > >Catholic prophesy throughout >the last thousand years points to a Great Monarch who is of >European origin, possibly an American. This prince shall fight, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Throughout the last thousand years!?? America as a nation hasn't been around that long. ;-) >cannot be the final battle. They will emerge in good time. For biblical >references on the Great Monarch see the 33rd Sunday OT readings in the >R.C. Cycle. I wouldn't mind if you quoted this for those of us who are not RC and don't have access to the article of information you mention. >*Nostradamus, Jeane Dixon, Western Astrology (the non-Karmaic kind) >all support a belief that the time is within the next 10 years. When Frankly, I don't read or listen to any of these things. I have my hands full just trying to understand the prophecy contained in Scripture. Besides, I don't consider Nostradamus or Jeane Dixon prophets by Biblical standards. Astrology, Eastern or Western, is a tool of divination that I have no use for as a Christian. >There is deep disagreement between the fundamentalists and the more >traditional Churches on last days interpretation. This is the >seed of the Great Apostacy, for the fundamentalists will see Christ >returned in the Anti-Christ, and the Anti-Christ in the Great Monarch. Here I simply must take exception to your statements and gently repudiate them. No fundamentalist that I know of, no Christian that I know of, states that Christ, Jesus Christ, is returning as the Antichrist. Could you cite from published documents from fundamentalists that state this? The understanding is that the Antichrist will arise and be Satan incarnate. After a period of great tribulation, such as the world has never before seen, Jesus will return to put an end to the evil wrought by the Antichrist and to the Antichrist in what is known as Armageddon. This then ushers in the Millennium. That is the Pre-millennial view. The Post-millennial view doesn't see Jesus returning until the end of a period of time, but not precisely 1000 years. Some of the Christian reconstructionists on line might do a better job of explaining this than I can. So, I'll leave it at that. And in many respects, they are as fundamental as you can get. >Our Muslim cousins will see the return of the Imam in the same light. This is true only for the Shiites. The Sunnis do not follow Imams. Their spiritual leaders are more like scholars. Imams have a dogmatic control over their followers and the faith. >Our Jewish cousins will see their Messiah. No argument. >The Eastern religions will see a similar phenomenon. Well, not quite accurate. Some do and some don't. Buddhists do not have a messianic figure to look forward to as Buddhists do not believe in a God. Among Hindus, only some of them are looking forward to the coming of another incarnation of Vishnu. The ISKCON believes that their founder was just such an incarnation. Essentially, most Eastern religions do not have a need for a savior. Often, the creature is seen as a god. Because He lives, Gene