Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!data.nas.nasa.gov!news From: pgd@bbt.se Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern Subject: Re: Body and Soul? Keywords: soul, conception, reincarnation Message-ID: <1990Oct18.061233.19437@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 18 Oct 90 06:12:33 GMT Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Lines: 78 Approved: prabhu@amelia.nas.nasa.gov In article <1990Sep13.000952.27231@nas.nasa.gov> hugh@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Hugh Garsden) writes: > >A question. > >Suppose we accept that there is a soul, and that we are reincarnated. At >some time, therefore, the soul must enter the body (since it comes >intact from a previous life). When does it do this? Before we are born? > etc... Here is what the Srimad Bhagavatam (canto 4, chapter 31) says about the subject matter: "The Personality of Godhead said: Under the supervision of the Supreme Lord and according to the result of his work, the living entity, the soul, is made to enter into the womb of a woman through the particle of male semen to assume a particular type of body." That is, during sexual intercourse, the soul is transferred through the semen of the father into the mother's womb in order to produce a particular type of body. This process is applicable to all embodied living entities. The above quoted sanskrit verse indicates that it is not the semen of the man that creates life within the womb of a woman; rather, the living entity, the soul, takes shelter in a particle of semen and is then pushed into the womb of a woman. Then the body develops. "On the first night, the sperm and ovum mix, and on the fifth night the mixture ferments into a bubble. On the tenth night it develops into a form like a plum, and after that, it gradually turns into a lumb of flesh or an egg, as the case may be." The body of the soul develops in four different ways according to its different sources. One kind of body, that of the trees and plants, sprouts from the earth; the second kind of body grows from perspiration, as with flies, germs and bugs; the third kind of body develops from eggs; and the fourth develops from an embryo. .... "Owing to the mother's eating bitter, pungent foodstuffs, or food which is too salty or too sour, the body of the child incassantly suffers pains which are almost intolerable". .... "Thus endowed with the development of consciousness from the seventh month after the conception, the child is tossed downward by the airs that press the embryo during the weeks preceeding delivery. Like the worms born of the same filthy abdominal cavity, he cannot remain in one place." So far, the child has been unconscious, but from the seventh month, the soul wakes up to consciousness again. .... "Pushed downward all of a sudden by the wind, the child comes out with great trouble, head downward, breathless and deprived of memory due to severe agony." The wind referred to is one of the bodily airs. This verse describes the birth of a human as a very painful experience. So painful, that the child is loosing its memories from the previous lifetime. ------------------ Srimad Bhagavatam is part of the vedic scriptures, one of the puranas (Bhagavat Purana). Together with the Bhagavad Gita, it is the most important scripture for the theist Vaisnava-faith (of India). The purpose of Srimad Bhagavatam is to teach the "complete science of Godhead", but it also covers a lot of knowledge about the material world, and it's construction. It is maybe not so well known, outside India, because it is so strongly theistic, and thus not favoured by the atheistic schools. It is very volumous. It consist of 12 cantos, each with has many chapters of verses. All in all around 18000 sanskrit verses (slokas). There are translations in many languages.