Xref: utzoo alt.cyberpunk:4858 comp.ai:7945 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!rlp From: rlp@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Trouble) Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,comp.ai Subject: Re: The AI Breakthough -- What It Will Be Like !!! Summary: extension of Trouble's Theorem Keywords: intelligent artificial machines Message-ID: <25224@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Date: 2 Nov 90 03:04:03 GMT References: <35244@cup.portal.com> <25207@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Sender: news@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU Reply-To: rlp@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Trouble) Distribution: na Organization: Bad Bob's Byte Basilica Lines: 47 In article erich@near.cs.caltech.edu (Erich Schneider) writes: >>>>>> On 31 Oct 90 17:23:10 GMT, rlp@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Trouble) said: > [ my example of randomly selecting a song for an "AI" to identify ] >This is a trivial example, but I get your point. One point I would like to >make is that "processor power" would be the only thing to needed to solve >this problem. Given a list of all of the types of music/groups/songs a >human knows, along with their characteristics, it's just an algorithmic >process (i.e. a Turing machine, by Church's thesis) to perform the ID. Aaah, but sooo much processor power. Man, I'd like just a teeny bit of it on my desk...and the Hoover Dam to power it. I realize it's basically just a matter of a "brute force" algorithm to have a computer do it, but consider how fast even the average high-schooler can tell you a tune is Warrant's "Cherry Pie," or if it's just some of that "goofy classical stuff." >If, however, one could dial randomly across the radio and have the computer do >the identification, and then _without a human manually changing the program_ >have the computer do something radically different (e.g. solve a complicated >differential equation or physics problem) just by showing it the problem; >I would say that program is possibly "intelligent". I like this extension of the concept. Or how about this: the AI works on the problem, a co-worker flips on the radio, the AI says "Yuck, I hate Vanilla Ice, change to the easy listening station," and keeps working on the problem. Consider that humans do it all the time. Are we multitasking, context switching, "shadow processing" (two things running on the same processor literally at the same time [though at different priorities, perhaps], not just switching really fast from one thing to another), or something else? Disclaimer: Sorry if I've mangled any terminology or paradigms or anything. My only exposure to AI, academically anyway, was an "AI Concepts" class I took during my MBA program. Talk about feeling like a fish on a bicycle...I definitely did not dig predicate calculus at that time. So, maybe I'm just being a nay-saying gadfly. Bob -- rlp@beach.cis.ufl.edu Air: PP-SEL AMA # 541283 Road: 750 Ninja DoD # 0068 Water: NAUI OW-I <=- -=>