Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uunet!fernwood!franz!eshook From: eshook@Franz.COM (Elizabeth Shook) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Lisp on NeXT? Message-ID: Date: 30 Oct 90 20:12:24 GMT References: <275@autodesk.UUCP> Sender: news@Franz.COM Distribution: comp Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA Lines: 55 > In the new release of the NeXT software (2.0), they've dropped Allegro > Common Lisp. I'm sorry to see that, since lisp is one of the most > important things to me about the machine. Was ACL dropped because > nobody uses the NeXT for lisp programming? And if not, why not? How > much memory/swap/etc. do you have to have to make ACL usable on the > NeXT? Are there any alternative lisp systems on the market? I > understand Franz is planning to sell their new version with CLOS > support, etc., for NeXT: has anyone seen it yet? And for a more > extensive environment, has Franz's Composer been available for this > platform? >> I somehow have this feeling that the fact that Apple bought Allegro >> soon after the bundling arrangement was announced has something to do >> with this. Here on the comp.sys.next we've seen evidence of quite a few LISP programmers. NeXT has stated that both Allegro CL and Sybase were unbundled because of other considerations, mainly relating to a new software distribution strategy. As noted by others, Apple's purchase of Coral Software and the rights to Mac OS-based Allegro CL (which happened two years ago!) has nothing to do with NeXT and Allegro CL. According to Franz' agreement with NeXT, Franz will begin shipping Allegro CL 3.1 when NeXT releases System 2.0. NeXT will provide free upgrades to its existing customers. New customers will purchase the software directly from Franz. The price for US customers is currently $1500, with educational discounts available. Allegro CL 4.0, with CLOS and a comprehensive delivery solution, will be available next year (about second quarter 1991). New customers, who have purchased Allegro CL 3.1 directly from Franz, will receive a free upgrade to 4.0 (customers always receive the first year's software maintenance for free). Existing NeXT customers can purchase software maintenance to receive Allegro CL 4.0 and technical support. One year's software maintenance costs $375 for the NeXT platform. Allegro CL requires a minimum of 4 Mb. memory. Additional swap space is required, but varies with the size of the application. Allegro Runtime is also available for the NeXT platform. This is a distribution license for developers to bundle a runtime version of Allegro CL with their delivered application. Allegro Composer, an interactive, windowized LISP development environment, is currently not available for the NeXT platform. For more information, contact Franz Inc. at (415) 548-3600 or email to info@franz.com. -- Elizabeth Shook, Franz Inc. 1995 University Avenue, Suite 275 eshook@Franz.COM (internet) Berkeley, CA 94704 uunet!franz!eshook (uucp) Phone: (415) 548-3600; FAX: (415) 548-8253