Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89!David.Andrews From: David.Andrews@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Andrews) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: Canes Versus Dogs Message-ID: <15365@bunker.UUCP> Date: 2 Nov 90 04:04:23 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: David.Andrews@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA Lines: 60 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 11482 [This is from the Blink Talk Conference] TG> David, TG> Just a question or two, if this is true what you say about the TG> kind of training needed to be able to use a cane in a confident TG> manner, and intensive training would do the job, then why are TG> there no schools to provide this training. It certainly would TG> be much cheaper and should require alot less overhead no dogs TG> to wory about. I have heard both national organizations TG> talk about this kind of training but there are only three or TG> four places in the country where you can get this kind of TG> training. How about less hype and more training? tom G. Tom, It is a good question you ask. There are a number of places in this country where you can get good travel training, but they are in the minority. Most of them use techniques and philosophies developed by the National Federation of the Blind. They include the New Mexico Commission for the Blind, Services for the Blind in Nebraska, The Louisana Center for the Blind in Ruston, BLIND Inc., in Minneapolis and the Colorado Center for the Blind in Denver. There are probably a few others, but these are the ones that come to mind. All these centers use techniques and ideas primarily developed at the Iowa Commission for the Blind in the 1960's and 1970's. One thing that most of these Centers do is have blind people teach travel. This is something that most of the sighted travel professionals, and I use that term advisedly, do not agree with. In fact AERBVI will not certify a blind travel teacher. Personally, I know that is hog wash, as I have successfully taught travel, and I can't see a thing. Many sighted instructors do not fundamentally believe in the ultimate capacity for the blind to travel anywhere safely, or teach. That is because they have not had good sleep shade straining, so don't believe in blind people and our capacities. There was a message in the last couple days from someone who related the experience of a friend who had gone through a rehab center and said that they told him that blind people couldn't use traffic lights safely. Well, most of us, if not all of us know that is garbage. Now, to your question about hype versus action. I know in the NFB there has been a debate for a number of years as to whether we should take an active role in providing training ourselves, or if we are primarily a "watchdog organization" and our proper role is to get the system to provide what we need. For the most part, the watchdog function has won out, although some local affiliates, Colorado, Louisiana, Minnesota, have stepped in and filled what they saw as a void. I could argue that one either way. We have limited resources, time, money, etc., and we have to put them where they will do the most good. Hope this answers your questions. David Andrews ... Your Sound Alternative -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!129!89!David.Andrews Internet: David.Andrews@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org