Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!timbuk!cs.umn.edu!uc!noc.MR.NET!msi.umn.edu!umeecs!umich!yale!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!bionet!agate!shelby!eos!jbm From: jbm@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Jeffrey Mulligan) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: ..but what about _output_ filtering for D/A's? Message-ID: <7518@eos.arc.nasa.gov> Date: 26 Oct 90 02:43:43 GMT References: <1319@beguine.UUCP> <17660123@hpfcdj.HP.COM> Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, California Lines: 44 I wrote: >>As Bob has pointed out, the key here is nonlinearities. Interestingly, >>the visual analog of this DOES work, i.e. the sum of two high frequency >>gratings (which cannot be resolved) can produce a visible beat. myers@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: >Uh, Jeff, I'm still not certain I go along with this - isn't the above >phenomenon the result of interference (two items of slightly different >wavelengths - or in this case, spacing - resulting in constructive and >destructive addition of the signals at a much longer, and hence visible, >wavelength) rather than intermodulation (the actual multiplication of >sinusoids of different frequencies)? You are right up to a point; what you describe is the formation of a single interference grating. In practice this is done using two plane waves of the same frequency, but different orientations in space. Two focussed beams enter through different points in the pupil, with the spacing of the entrance pupils controlling the spatial frequency on the retina. The upper limit on spatial frequency produced is determined by how far apart the beams can be spaced; sometimes drugs may be used to dilate the pupil. In the experiments which demonstrated the nonlinearity, two pairs of beams produced two interference gratings. The beams were pulsed so that only one pair was on at a time. Thus there is no interference between the beams making up each of the two gratings. The pulse rate was high ( > 1KHz ), so the gratings were superimposed as far as the visual system is concerned. This is pretty much state-of-the-art research which has been done at the University of Rochester. The results about the nonlinearity are still unpublished, although they have been presented at several scientific meetings. There are some papers out of the same lab in which high-frequency laser interference gratings generated visible low-frequency aliases with the photoreceptor sampling array. -- Jeff Mulligan (jbm@eos.arc.nasa.gov) NASA/Ames Research Ctr., Mail Stop 262-2, Moffett Field CA, 94035 (415) 604-3745