Newsgroups: sci.military Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) Subject: Memphis Belle Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 05:13:46 GMT Approved: military@att.att.com Message-ID: <1990Oct30.051346.5620@cbnews.att.com> Followup-To: sci.military Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Lines: 38 From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) a little while back, someone mentioned that they thought that the B-17s in the film ``Memphis Belle'' looked like late war aircraft, where the film was set in 1943. now that i've finally seen the film, i can address the query (i did enjoy the film, by the way.) the B-17s were actually fairly representative of B-17F models, the aircraft which were used in that period. the earliest models of Fortress (A through D) used in wwii either 1) were used only in the pacific or 2) were only used by the RAF costal command. the E model was only manufactured in small numbers; they introduced a completely redesigned tail and much heavier armament and armor. the remote control belly turret of the E model was unsuccessful in practice, being balky and unreliable. the F model was the first large production B-17; they introduced the manned ball turret. the aircraft in the film had the ball turret, the early tail gun enclosure (later aircraft had a much larger greenhouse for the tail gunner), the two nose machine guns for the navigator and bombadier (the G model introduced the chin turret), and the open waist gunner and open radio operator windows (later aircraft enclosed these firing positions.) the most notable slip i saw was the use of P-51s as `little friends'; in 1943, escorts were still fairly limited range fighters, and the P-51 (with drop tanks) was one of the fighters that allowed escort to the target and back. richard -- richard welty 518-387-6346, GE R&D, K1-5C39, Niskayuna, New York welty@lewis.crd.ge.com ...!crdgw1!lewis.crd.ge.com!welty ``We're in a road movie to Berlin, can't drive out the way we drove in'' -- They Might Be Giants