Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: MTBF for M1 tank Message-ID: <1990Nov2.203119.29539@cbnews.att.com> Date: 2 Nov 90 20:31:19 GMT References: <1990Oct30.052800.7512@cbnews.att.com> <1990Nov1.025149.12410@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 51 Approved: military@att.att.com From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) In article <1990Nov1.025149.12410@cbnews.att.com> mvp@hsv3.UUCP (Mike Van Pelt) writes: >From: mvp@hsv3.UUCP (Mike Van Pelt) >In article <1990Oct30.052800.7512@cbnews.att.com> bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) writes: >>"'the M-1 tends to break down every 30 miles or so...' says Kosta Tsipis >Kosta Tsipis has a long track record for ... um, "exaggerating". I am in no position to add anything of substance to this argument, but ad hominem attacks on Tsipis seem beside the point. Either the M1 tank has an acceptable rate of failure or it doesn't. We many find out soon. Likewise, anecdotal evidence doesn't help much but for the sake of completeness, I am forwarding this letter which I received in response to my original posting. The author suggested that I post it but asked for anonymity. I cannot attest to its veracity (except to say that the e-mail source was apparently a miltary institution). Sir: I used to be a driver in an M1 before I came here to ----------, so I figure that I probably ought to know better than a person who reads his/her info out of a book and profess to be experts... Anyways, there are a multitude of factors that determine if a tank is deadlined or not. The first is the tank crew itself. Each individual in the tank has his responsibilities, ie the gunner ensures the weapons systems are operational, the loader ensures that the commo, breech, and ammo ready doors are operational, and the driver ensures that the tank is running, and is responsible for everything that moves a tank...from the road wheels to the track to the engine. One of the main reasons that tanks abort their engines is due to clogged air filters. If you have a driver that knows what the hell he is doing and does his job and cleans the air filters every chance he gets, your tank is probably not going to abort. Also, if you have a sharp driver, he is going to ensure that there is the proper amount of tension in the track, and there is enough rubber on the road wheels, that there is enough lubricant in the road wheel hub, etc. Let's put it this way...I think that I was in a pretty sharp battalion at ------------------, and we also had good mechanics to help us out. With the right people dedicated to their jobs, a tank will not break down, unless it is a freak accident of nature. I have no idea where MIT or whoever you quote got their figures from, but I know that they are wrong. Let's put it this way ...during one FTX, we had our tank running the whole five days straight, without it ever being deadlined...and I'll tell you what, we didn't run it for less than 30 miles...I think we averaged something close to 100 miles per day!!! I hope that this answers some questions for you. [ellipses as in original, dashes are mine -bks] ---------------------------- Brad Sherman(bks@alfa.berkeley.edu)