Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ora!daemon From: mittmann@ral.rpi.edu (Michael Mittmann) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Who's Exploiting Who? Message-ID: <8`6%0{%@rpi.edu> Date: 26 Oct 90 21:35:13 GMT References: <65210@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> <656288051@lear.cs.duke.edu> <*X4%%|+@rpi.edu> Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 40 Approved: ambar@ora.com gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: No, but I know people who are excited by *playing* a game like this. The porno you described is a *play* between adults and not a real rape. I hope that you can see the difference. In article kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan) writes: >Ahhh... excuse me... you do realize that the paragraph above is >talking about playacting *rape* don't you? No, the above paragraph is about people knowing if they are playing a game, or are doing something in reality. You said that people don't know the difference between the two, and I said that they did. Since later in your article you talk about imaginative lovemaking, presumably you do things not based solely on reality. Since you can say that you do this, you apparently are able to tell that there is some play acting going on. Why do you assume that other people are less perceptive than you are? >At this point i would like to clearify the statement "Most people don't": >most people do not have a clear idea of what rape is. (granted there are >some foggy areas here) A LOT of porn rapes are where the women initially say >"no" or are apprehensive about sex,but the guys know what women want-need and >after a little protest, the women start to enjoy it. Sound like rape? >does to me. Sound like a lot of defenses rapists use? does to me. Nuf said. Oh, ok, it appears that the problem is that you believe that porn teaches people about rape incorrectly. Well, in case you haven't noticed movies are not produced for the purpose of educating people. If I learn physics from star wars, or computer science from tron, or law from leagal eagles I will do stupid things. The same thing will happen if I learn my attitudes about sex from porn movies. Personally I don't believe a significant portion of the population (that is to say no one I know) learns their attitudes about sex from pornography, but if you believe otherwise it seems that your time would be better spent finding and teaching people who have incorrect beliefs. -mike