Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!decwrl!wuarchive!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: uunet!mailrus!sharkey!hela!iti.org!dhw@ncar.ucar.EDU ("David H. West") Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Diversity Message-ID: <1990Oct26.204736.17577@iti.org> Date: 26 Oct 90 23:34:53 GMT References: <1990Oct26.170150.9341@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Organization: The Forgotten Legions of ... um ... er ... Lines: 23 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu In article <1990Oct26.170150.9341@nntp-server.caltech.edu> morphy@truebalt.cco.caltech.EDU (Jones Maxime Murphy) writes: >[...] In my native Caribbean and in Latin America, I >find men much more open-minded about what's "attractive" in female >bodies. [...] This idea (that perceived attractiveness should respond to voluntary effort of the perceiver, who should find this straightforward to do) seems very tenacious amongst women who particpate in gender-issues discussion. I (and I expect many if not most men) find it baffling because the perceived attractiveness of a MOTAS seems an immediate, almost "given" reaction, opaque to rational thought in the short or medium term as does, for example the perceived "pleasant-tastingness" of a food. I can decide that I don't really want the consequences of eating something that may taste good, or that I do want the consequences of eating something that may taste bad, but that doesn't change the perceived taste itself. Of course, both these kinds of perception are known to change in the long term, but scarcely voluntarily. -David West dhw@iti.org