Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!execu!sequoia!rpp386!jfh From: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: crime confusion Message-ID: <18688@rpp386.cactus.org> Date: 3 Nov 90 19:08:25 GMT References: <1990Oct30.035606.1282@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <4576@rsiatl.UUCP> <15810@letni.UUCP> <1990Nov2.202722.13748@ico.isc.com> Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Organization: Lone Star Cafe and BBS Service Lines: 24 X-Clever-Slogan: Recycle or Die. In article <1990Nov2.202722.13748@ico.isc.com> rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) writes: >The :-) is missing. This is wrong, of course. There are various sorts of >laws which you are expected to obey. Not every violation of a law is a >crime. There are a few traffic laws which, if violated, will get you >arrested. Most won't. You'll have to pay a fine, but you won't go to >jail. You'll have a traffic-violation record, but that's not a criminal >record. Best to keep the two straight. I believe this statement is wrong. When I enlisted in the Navy in 1981 they asked about =every= arrest, =including= minor traffic infractions from when I was just starting out driving. In New Orleans, for example, parking tickets were part of the criminal code. The judges knew the city would be unable to legally convict an owner of a car that was parked illegally because there was no proof that the owner was also the driver. In fact, the standard defense was to claim that you weren't driving the car at the time the ticket was issued. Over a several year period there was not a single case decided in favor of the city when this ploy was used. Finally, parking tickets were moved out of the criminal code and into the civil code. -- John F. Haugh II UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 832-8832 Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org "SCCS, the source motel! Programs check in and never check out!" -- Ken Thompson