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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Frustrating problem with ftp
Message-ID: <35538@cup.portal.com>
Date: 3 Nov 90 11:14:16 GMT
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moore@bombe.enet.dec.com (W. Bruce Moore) in
<1990Oct30.185601@bombe.enet.dec.com> writes:

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In article <35333@cup.portal.com>, thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
|>
|>Next year some of these problems may be "history." Ken Olson (Pres of DEC)
|>stated publicly this past week (in response to DEC's 2-year earnings decline
|>and anticipated layoff of some 16,000-20,000 people) that VAX/VMS is (for all
....

This is 100% pure Bullsh*t.
''

Oh?  Then perhaps DEC should sue both the San Francisco Chronicle and the
San Jose Mercury News, both of which printed the articles (which I also showed
and read-aloud at the AT&T UNIX Users' Group meeting the following day).  Send
me email with your FAX number and I'll fax the articles to you.  Or if you want
to look them up for yourself, see:

	San Jose Mercury News, Tuesday, October 23, 1990, pages 7E-10E (even
	has a picture of Ken Olson with the caption "Olsen (sp?) has contended
	Digital should use its $1.6 Billion cash reserve to keep from cutting
	employees."  This article is courtesy of The New York Times.

	San Francisco Chronicle, Tuesday, October 23, 1990, BUSINESS section,
	page number not shown on the clipping I cut out.  This article is
	courtesy of Associated Press.

Granted, the current issues of Digital Review and some other DEC-related mags
didn't mention the merged-UNIX-VMS product as did both the articles I cite
above, talking instead about Ultrix, but I seriously doubt the direct quotes
attributed to Ken Olson and all the fancy pie- and bar-charts in the articles
were forged by two fiercely-competitive newspapers serving N. California and
Silicon Valley.  Note, too, the articles were from DIFFERENT news services.

Ken Olson (Pres of DEC) is known for his outright hatred of UNIX (per his
public statements in this regards over the years), and that probably accounts
for DEC's declining earnings the past eight (8) quarters as everyone else is
moving to more open systems (i.e. UNIX or OSI (Mach)).

I've been using DEC systems since the early 1960's and most of my revenues
are derived from sales to clients using DEC hardware, but I, too, have seen
the light and am actively porting to UNIX (incl. (eventually) Amiga SVR4)).

As a longtime user of VMS, that OS utterly disgusts me.  Followups (and flames)
to comp.os.vms, please.

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]