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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Attention Amiga (and Amiga to be) Users!
Keywords: NeXT, Cube, Commodore Dead, Amiga's End
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Date: 9 Nov 90 15:34:21 GMT
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In article <1990Nov7.192010.166@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>In article <1990Nov5.212543.18289@cbnewsl.att.com> coco@cbnewsl.att.com (felix.a.lugo) writes:
>>In article <212@coplex.UUCP>, dean@coplex.UUCP (Dean Brooks) writes:
>>> coco@cbnewsl.att.com (felix.a.lugo) writes:
>>> 
>>> >	Are you tired of Amigas?, Commodore's lack of consideration for
>>> >	their costumers? ...  Read this and run out and get one ... one
>>> >	NeXT system that is.   8^)
>>> 
>	I'll probably regret getting into this. I'm not going to
>argue most of the basic issues. I am going to go to one issue
>that know one usually mentions. NeXT can't be profitable EVER
>unless there is a miracle. There are appr. 10,000 NeXTs sold.
>There are appr. 2,000,000 Amigas sold. At the prices which they
>are selling new NeXTs for, which are very cheap, they can't be
>making much profit. Lotus and WordPerfect may be supporters now,
>but if there isn't a huge sales increase, and I mean dramatic,
>they'll drop off REAL fast.
>	As NeXT loses more and more money, Steven Jobs will find
>monetary supporters disappearing and the corporate losses will be
>paid for entirely by himself. He may keep things up for a while,
>but not for that long.

Remember Steve has the backing of Cannon (optical drives) and they feel
it is a viable product.  Steve is in the Forbes 400 and he can keep this
up for a LONG while.  I'm quite sure the claims that they have orders for
15,000 of the new machine are not bogus.  15,000 * $5000= 75,000,000.
The  $5000 price assumes he sells mostly low end machines w/no color.
This figure is prob. low. I think he'll sell a lot of cubes with
NeXTdiminsion boards.  80Mflops of performance is nothing to sneeze at.
As a high end video engine NOTHING can touch NeXTdiminsion.


A lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon, not jumping off, as far as
developers go.

Also remember the staff at NeXT is small.  All assembly is robotic
(no assemblers to pay) so he may be making a profit on machines.
He uses highly integrated components,  only 1 board in the whole machine.

>
>	Oh, and one other thing: Display Postscript. YOU CAN KEEP
>IT. Unless you have a separate display chip the speed slowdown is
>too significant for my tastes.
>

So is X windows.  But I have seen Display Postscript on a '040
NeXTstation and yes IT IS FAST.  It is comprable to a Sparcstation 1/1+
in drawing a screen and movin windows is much better.  We use Sparcs here
where I work.

>       And oh yes, those BusinessLand models with the 68030,
>they are all discontinued.
>	-- Ethan
>

They may be discontinued but they can be upgraded to a new '040 for less
than $1500.00.  So it is a deal!!!!

>Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

Lighten up, every machine is not for everybody.  Diff. machines for diff.
needs.  BTW I hates Macs --- no command line.  Yes I like to get to
a command line so I could live w/ an Amiga, NeXT (or any Unix machine).
I like my 386 clone but my next purchase will be a NeXTstation.  $3300.00
educational discount.

>
>GorbachevAwards++;
>free (SovietUnion);
>IndependentRepublics += 15;

                         Kent.
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