Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!sab121 From: SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Apple II / Mac discusson (was:Re:Official"No New Apple II's") Message-ID: <90309.163708SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 90 21:37:08 GMT References: <9011051728.AA15418@apple.com> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 85 OPTIONS: NOACK LOG SHORT NOTEBOOK ALL XOPTIONS: REPLYING to NETNEWS article In article <9011051728.AA15418@apple.com>, you say: > >On Mon, 5 Nov 90 09:03:19 GMT The Unknown User said: >>In article <9011040755.AA25630@apple.com> MQUINN%UTCVM@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU > >>>comparing the Macs speed to the GS's speed. A 7 Mhz 68000 is definitely >>faster >>>than a 2.8Mhz 65816. I'm not basing that on the Mhz numbers, but the actual >>>speed of the two processors. Working with a GS and a Mac side by side, you >>>can definitely tell that the Mac is faster. >> >> Can definitely tell that the Mac is faster? > >Yes. > >> Think of this hypothetical example.. You have one GS that has a >>Transwarp GS card in it.. It is running System Disk 1.0 for the GS... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >If you would have my original message, I said a 2.8Mhz GS and a 7Mhz Mac. > >>(Or whichever version is the first that's -NOT- running that non-Super >>Hires mode "Finder".. That one was relatively quick from what I remember).. > >It's hard to compare the GS system disk 1.0 to the current Mac OS... it's mor >logical to compare GS/OS 5.0x to the Macs' OS. Also, I wasn't basing the fact >that the Mac is faster than a GS on the screen update speed, but how fast they >do internal calculations and the overall speed of all applications I've used >on the Mac compared to the overall speed of all applications on the GS. >From what I can tell from my experience with both of them is that a stock Mac >is faster than a stock GS. period. Sure, you can speed up the GS. Sure, you >can't tell 100% from the speed of the screen updates and the speed of ONE >application to ONE application, but when you compare all the programs you've >used on both machines, that's a pretty accurate and fair conclusion. > >> You also have a standard 2.8 megahertz GS running System Disk 5.03 >>(I doubt they made speed differences between 5.0x verssions but I'm just >>using the latest in case they are)... >> >>to the END USER does -NOT- mean the Mac is faster. I'm not saying the Mac >>isn't faster, I'm just being very very picky on this point. > >I understand your point and I agree, but the point I'm making is that the Mac >IS faster than the GS. Well, I have worked on both Macs and GS's. OK, Mac's are faster (even to the naked eye) when using SHR Graphics. But, the beauty of the GS, and what makes it FASTER THAN A MAC is the implementation of a TEXT MODE! Do a spell chack on a text file in both Appleworks (the Classic version, either 3.0 or the older ones with Timeout installed) and the Mac (up to say a II, there is QUITE a difference when you cross that invisible boundary that makes one a II or an SE or +) running say MacWrite, and see which does the spell check in less time. Consider also the amount of memory needed by the Macintrash to do SIMPLE tasks. Pull out a stock Mac with say 1 meg of memory and 7.0000 Mhz 68000, and then pull out a stock GS with 1.115 Meg of memory and a 2.8 Mhz 65816, and run programs that do the SAME TASK but are programmed only for the machines native ability. IE: Macwrite vs. AppleWorks. Red Ryder vs. ProTerm (or even for that matter Snowterm, which isn't quite as fair of a comparison, because it has only been out for a short time, and the author has admitted that it still needs a bit of work to get it up to par). Run them side by side and see which is more versatile and faster. Also, consider that with Apple II programs, there are always companies (Beagle Brothers springs to mind) that will take an original and improve it 150%. The Mac can be a nice machine. However, I don't have the $10,000 dollars needed to get one, and wouldn't get it if I did. That's where NeXT and Sun MicroSystems come in... > >>/Apple II(GS) Forever! unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu MAIL ME FOR INFO ABOUT CHEAP \ >CDs >>\"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime time."-Lisa / >Simpson > > ________________________________________________________________ >| | | >| HEY! They're licking | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | >| FROGS in Colorado!!!! | pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | >|_______________________|________________________________________|