Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!ucbvax!PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU!MQUINN%UTCVM From: MQUINN%UTCVM@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Apple II / Mac discusson (was:Re:Official"No New Apple II's") Message-ID: <9011060151.AA08822@apple.com> Date: 6 Nov 90 01:19:33 GMT References: Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 56 On Mon, 5 Nov 90 20:48:39 GMT Doug Gwyn said: > >With a 7MHz clock, the relative speeds are close for typical, COMPARABLE >applications. Note that display update is not a good comparison, as the >color IIGS has to move around much more data than the black-and-white >Mac in order to attain a similar visual effect. Exactly. I agreed that screen update times doesn't have alot to do with the speeds of the two... that's why I talked about internal calculations and overall speed of all the applications I've used on both the GS and the Mac. I want to point something out for those of you who seem to think I'm trying to compare tha Mac to the GS and say it's a better computer. I DON'T LIKE THE MAC!, but, it IS faster. That's the only point I was making. Someone on the net sent me a 4-5 page letter telling me why the GS is a better computer than the Mac. Well, I agree with that. Don't loose sight of the original message and blow it all up so we don't get another 'civil war' going on between us. Also, one point about that 4-5 page letter (I lost it somehow, don't ask how, so I'll post a semi-reply here). The person was talking saying that a certain communications package on the mac was slower than several on the GS, including Snowterm. Well, I'm using snowterm right now and use it every day, and I haven't seen a single mac-app that's anywhere near as slow as this (actually, snowterm is fast, but the mac- app's I've used are even faster (kermit, mac-terminal, and some other one). The person also went on to say that the GS is faster because it has a TEXT mode. Well, that would make screen updates much quicker, but that has nothing to do with the speed of the machine (CPU). He also talked about spell checkers on Appleworks 3.0 compared to some on mac-applications, saying that APWKS 3.0 is faster. Well, it probably is, because it doesn't use the toolbox and an Apple ][ programmer made it, and as we all know, Apple ][ programmers are much more efficient than Mac Programmers :), but that has nothing to do with the SPEED of the MACHINE. >Which is faster depends very much on the application. Right, but put that same application on both a GS and a Mac, with only the absolute necessary changes to make it run on both machines, and it'll be faster on the mac because the macs hardware is, unfortunately, faster. But, of course , if you have a text mode program on the // and port it to the mac, screen writes won't be as fast on the mac because the mac is doing a hell of alot more computations to gett all those bytes to the screen, but do both of them on the same size graphics screen on both computers (I know, they don't share a common screen, but...) and, not only will the 'unseen' computations be quicker, but so will the screen updates be faster on the mac. Using your same logic, that would be like saying a ][+ is faster than a GS because AppleWorks 3.0 is faster than Appleworks GS (I know, not all of it is, but most of it). ________________________________________________________________ | | | | HEY! They're licking | BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm | | FROGS in Colorado!!!! | pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com | |_______________________|________________________________________|