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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: DecServer 200/300 puts us into PASSALL mode sometimes
Message-ID: <15721@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: 8 Nov 90 17:33:58 GMT
References: <10916@rama.UUCP> <1990Nov8.070438.6592@watcgl.waterloo.edu>
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
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In article <1990Nov8.070438.6592@watcgl.waterloo.edu> idallen@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Ian! D. Allen [CGL]) writes:
> >We have a number of DecServer 200's and 300's used to connect to
> >a number of Vax/VMS, DecStation and Unix machines.  We use the
> >Ultrix LAT/Telnet gateway service to connect to Unix machines:
> >	"CONNECT TELNET NODE FRED DESTINATION SPOT"
> >For some unknown reason this puts us into passall mode more or
> >less at random.  Any ideas on why this happens?
> 
> Any program on recent Ultrix that does "stty raw" sets the port to PASSALL.  
> This includes the getty running at login time that reads your userid.
> 
> I asked on Oct 24 in comp.unix.ultrix how to turn it off; nobody knows.

In 99 out of 100 cases this is the correct behavior - to support unix
"raw" mode semantics, the server must **temporarily** enter passall
mode.  Since servers are not hard-wired terminal, there may be a few
cases where this doesn't give the intended result, but you break a
lot more stuff by not having it be the **default** behavior.

Please consider carefully before bitching about this, it's been broken
before (some 3.x releases) and took a long time to get it right again.

If the login behavior causes you distress, then what you really want
is /etc/ttys control of raw vs cbreak vs cooked mode for the prompt,
not LAT changes.

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