Xref: utzoo sci.bio:3815 sci.chem:2384 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!miamiu!jahayes From: JAHAYES@MIAMIU.BITNET (Josh Hayes) Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.chem Subject: "Primitive" != Unevolved (was Re: Forgotten Entities...) Message-ID: <90307.154236JAHAYES@MIAMIU.BITNET> Date: 3 Nov 90 20:42:36 GMT References: <4578@husc6.harvard.edu> Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service Lines: 21 With respect to apparently primitive critters in vent communities and such. This is a bugaboo that I run into in my intro bio courses all the time; there is this idea that phylogenetically "primitive" organisms somehow stopped evolving when they arose...the idea being, I suppose, that sharks arose several hundred million years ago and just stopped changing. This is absurd, it is equivalent to saying that humans evolved from chimpanzees. Obviously not true, unless humans evolved yesterday....it is correct to say that humans and chimpanzees evolved from some common ancestor in the not terribly distant past, however. Sharks, archaebacteria, sponges, humans, that we see around us today, are all equally primitive and all equally highly-evolved. Mere semantics? Maybe. But I'm feeling grumpy today...humor me. Right. I'm done complaining. Carry on.... Josh Hayes, Zoology Department, Miami University, Oxford OH 45056 voice: 513-529-1679 fax: 513-529-6900 jahayes@miamiu.bitnet, or jahayes@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu "It is always wise to remember that it was the gods who put nipples on men, seeds in pomegranates, and priests in temples."