Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!bu.edu!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: jepullia@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (John Pulliam) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: U.S. Army Division TO&Es (LONG) Message-ID: <1990Nov6.044319.1254@cbnews.att.com> Date: 6 Nov 90 04:43:19 GMT References: <1990Oct24.115039.4212@cbnews.att.com> <1990Oct25.145938.287@cbnews.att.com> <1990Nov2.200245.25954@cbnews.att.com> <1990Nov4.210449.4182@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 63 Approved: military@att.att.com From: jepullia@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (John Pulliam) In article <1990Nov4.210449.4182@cbnews.att.com> geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes: > >(1) What exactly is "mechanized infantry?" Is it the same as standard > infantry, except for the fact that that the troops get to ride to > the battle in armored personnel carriers? Or are there tanks and/or > artillery that are integral with the infantry unit? First, I'm a combat engineer, not an infantryman, so I suppose I should wait to see if a grunt 8-) answers this; but I won't. 8-) Couple of concepts mixed together in this question: first, the US and most other modern armies fight their battles using what _we_ call "combined arms teams." That means that you will usually not see infantry, or armor, or even army aviation units fighting alone. Rather (as shown in the TO&Es of the heavy divisions), you fight with a mix of infantry, armor, artillery, aviation, engineers, etc. on the battlefield together. There are times when you will see infantry without armor (very restrictive terrain) or armor without infantry (very fluid battle, table-top terrain, little use of obstacles, etc.), but you will still find each type of maneuver unit (IN or AR) supported by the other branches. Armor units are integral to all Mech Infantry divisions (in fact, there's just about as much of one as the other). It is the Light Infantry divisions which have no assigned/integral armor units. This answers the doctrinal and organizational side of your question. Second, there is more -- tactically -- to Mech Infantry than just "Light Infantry in a metal taxicab." The carrier has armament of its own, which "beefs up" the firepower considerably over what the infantry squad would have organic otherwise. In addition, an infantry squad _can_ fight from inside the Bradley (there are four or six firing ports in the sides for squad members to fire their M16s/SAWs out of, although I understand doing so is a real pain in the behind (cramped quarters, limited visibility). Nevertheless, when push comes to shove, you usually see the infantry dismounting and fighting on the ground. I am not a fan of Mech personally (prefer the light side 8-), but as you can see, the Mech Infantry has a lot of flexibility that neither Light Inf or Armor have. >(2) I've noticed that the U.S. has "mechanized infantry" divisions and the > USSR has "motorized rifle" divisions. Are these simply different names > for the same thing, or are there substantial differences between the > two? There are all kinds of differences (weapons and equipment, tactics and doctrine, personnel strengths, on and on), but I think I understand your question to be, "is there some _reason_ the names are different?" And the answer to that is (historians, correct me if I'm wrong here), no. The Soviets could very easily have named their units mech infantry instead of motorized rifle, or it could have been translated less literally to be the same, or _we_ could have called our units motorized rifles instead of mech infantry, I suppose. 8-) Both ride to battle in APCs, both dismount and/or fight mounted as the situation requires, both are a combination of squads of soldiers and fighting machines. In the US, "motorized" has come to mean any unit which fights out of unarmored or lightly-armored (usually wheeled) vehicles (like trucks, dune buggies, etc.). That isn't true of the Soviet army's terminology, so don't let our choice of words confuse you. John Pulliam