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From: jha@lfcs.edinburgh.ac.UK (Jamie Andrews)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: what feminism has done FOR men
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Date: 9 Nov 90 15:58:00 GMT
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Judy Leedom Tyrer:
>>Feminism has given men the freedom to be human beings.  They no longer
>>have to posture.

J. Eric Townsend:
>You can say that again....
>Perhaps the best thing that "feminism" (nebulosity meter just peaked)
>has done for me, as a male, is given me "permission" to be open and
>honest about my feelings, my upbringing, and where I'm at now....

     I would have to disagree.  I don't think feminism as a
whole has caused whatever movement there has been in this
direction.  What has been doing this is the associated men's
liberation movement, and the parts of the feminist movement
which support it.  Some parts of the feminist movement
specifically denigrate and deride men's lib, and insist that
men do not need any more "freedom" than they already have.

     There is still a lot of pressure on men to posture.  Men
still find that they are rewarded for acting macho (as long as
they do not question the goals of feminism), even by feminist
women.  Movies, TV, advertising, schooling, romantic interaction
still all promote the stereotype of the man as the brutal,
emotionless sex machine.

     Sorry, but we've got a long way to go, baby.

--Jamie.
  jha@lfcs.ed.ac.uk
"Whoa dere, renaissance guy!  Ya coulda stopped at out ta lunch!"