Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: davidh@tektronix.tek.com (David L Hatcher) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Sorry folks, it's NOT all relative. Message-ID: Date: 9 Nov 90 05:30:47 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 39 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article ok@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. O'Keefe) writes: >In article , davidh@tektronix.tek.com (David L Hatcher) writes: >> Having given these direction, he slew himself. In the event, each >> captain set himself up as the Vazirs successor, and the Christians were >> split up into many sects at enmity with one anther, even as the Vazir >> had intended. But the malicious scheme did not altogether succeed, as >> one faithful band cleaved the the name of "Ahmad"(see John 14:26) >> mentioned in the Gospel, and were thus saved from sharing the ruin >> of the rest. > >Ok, I saw John 14:26. It says > But the "paraclete" (the Holy Spirit who the Father will send > in my [Jesu's] name) will teach you all things and will bring > to your remembrance everything I said to you. >I can't find anything in this (or the Greek) that looks or sounds like >"Ahmad". The reference seems to be the key point of the argument that >the story exhibits some idea of the Holy Spirit. I imagine that quite >a few people will be every bit as clueless here as I am; how is "Ahmad" >related to that verse? There are a several levels of awareness here. One is at the level of being aware of the Holy Spirit itself. Another is more directed towards the fine tuned heart that is able to discern the lessons that the Holy Spirit teaches. That aspect of knowing and being aware of the Holy Spirit awakens the soul to Divine wisdom. Being directed directly by God and His spirit seems to bring forth an awareness of God in all aspects of one's life that makes it very easy to discern those who know God and those who do not. In following a teacher, minister or prophet, that is very important. David Hatcher And therefor lift up thy live to the cloud. Or rather let God draw thy love up to that cloud; and strive thou through the help of his grace to forget all other things. St. John of the Cross _The cloud of Unknowing_