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Subject: Muslims' position on Jews
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Date: 8 Nov 90 01:34:52 GMT
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al-jawzi continues:

The Jews also say that no law can be abrogated.  But they know that
in the religion of Adam marrying one's sisters was permitted, and
others whom it's now forbidden to marry.  Also, working during
the Sabath was permitted.  Then that was abrogated with Moses's law.

They say "If god ordered a thing, then it must be wisdom
and it's impermissible for it to be changed."  I would
respond:  "Change may be in certain circumstances wisdom.  For
example, when a healthy human becomes ill and dies, that is
wisdom [from God].  Moreover, God forbade you [Jews] from
working on Saturday yet allowed you to work on Sunday, and that's
abrogation, which you supposedly reject.  Also, god ordered
abraham to sacrifice his son and then forbade him from that.

Another one of Satan's deceptions is their belief that {  The Fire
will not touch us except for a few days.  } and those days
are the days in which they worshipped the calf.  Their
scandals are numerous.  Additionally, Satan drove them
to pure stubborness so they denied the description of our
prophet (may peace be upon him) which was in their book.  They changed
it when they were ordered to believe in him.  Thus they chose
the punishment of the Hereafter.

Their scholars were stubborn and the ignorant among them imitated
the scholars.

The strange thing is that they changed what they were ordered to
do, interpreted it wrongly, and made their desires their religion.
So where is the quality of worship in one who abandons an order and
obeys his whims?

Furthermore, they used to disobey Moses and find faults in him.  They
even said that he was aadar [the editor says it means "with puffed
up testicles and it is a sexual defect"] and that he killed Aaron
and they accused David [of an affair] with the wife of Uuriya [?].

Abu huraira said:  The Prophet went to the midras [the worship
house for Jews] and said, "Bring out your most learned one." so
Abdallah ibn Surya came out and they went walking alone together.
So the Prophet reminded him of his duty to God in his religion, the
many favors God had granted [the Jews], the mann and salwa He had
fed them [in the desert], and how He had protected the Jews from
the clouds of dust.  Then the Prophet said, "Do you all not know
that I am the Prophet of God?"  He said, "By God, yes, and indeed
the people know what I know.  Indeed, your description and identi-
fying mark are plain in the Tawrah.  But they are jealous of you."
So the Prophet said:  "Well, what prevents you [from following me?]"
He said, "I hate to seperate from my people, and perhaps they
will follow you and become muslims at which point I would convert."

Salma ibn salama ibn Qishsh said:  "In the houses of the clan of
Abd al-ashhal there was a Jewish neighbor.  One day before the revelation
came to the Prophet he came out to the gathering of Abd al-ashhal.  At
that time I was the youngest one present.  i was wearing coat with a
hood in which I was reclining on the porch of my family's house.  [The
Jewish neighbor] started mentioning the resurrection and the accounting
and the scales [of reward and punishment] and Heaven and Hell.  he said
all this to polytheists and idol worshippers who did not believe in life
after death.  So those present said to him, "Woe there, man.  Do you
really see this as happening, that people will come to life after
they die to a world in which there is a paradise and a fire, from
which they escape by virtue of their actions?"  He responded, "Yes, I
swear by the One upon Whom oaths are taken.  [It is a fire such that]
,if you tasted a moment of it,
you would wish that the biggest knife in your home could be sharpened
and thrust inside of you and turned, if it would repreive you for a day
from the fire."  So they said, "Woe there, what's the proof of that?"
He said, "A prophet that will appear from around these parts", and
he pointed towards Mekka and yemen.  So they said, "When will we
see him?"  He looked at me, and I was among the youngest of the whole
clan, and said, "If this boy lives out his life span he'll see him."
And by God, not a single day passed God revealed the [first revelation]
to His prophet.  So this Jew was living among us when we became
believers, but he rejected [the Prophet] in transgression and
jealousy.  So I said to him, "Woe to you, Mr. so and so.  Weren't
you the one who told us about the Prophet what you had told us?"
He answered, "yes, but that is not him."

To be continued