Xref: utzoo sci.philosophy.tech:3738 comp.ai.philosophy:338 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!ucsd!nosc!cod!deichman From: deichman@cod.NOSC.MIL (Shane D. Deichman) Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Searle, Strong AI, and Chinese Rooms Message-ID: <2460@cod.NOSC.MIL> Date: 13 Nov 90 19:06:53 GMT References: <1990Nov12.122329.15235@daimi.aau.dk> Reply-To: deichman@cod.nosc.mil.UUCP (Shane D. Deichman) Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego Lines: 29 In his earlier posting, Svend makes some brilliant arguments in support of a deterministic, non-free will environment for human existence. By deftly casting the arguments of both Searle and the Churchlands aside, he resorts to a "If it exhibits the qualities of intelligence then it IS intelligent" argument. Is that to say that human perceptions are always infallible, and that what we see and perceive actually IS? Or does it imply that our percep- tions, while not always accurate, still elicit a deeper understanding of a given phenomenon based on multiple repetitions? The Chinese Room argument points out some deficiencies in the Turing Test -- deficiencies which call upon the observer to take a deeper, more profound look at what is meant by "understanding" and "knowledge." Svend disregards the subconsciousness associated with cognition and lucidity, and therefore begs the question. Furthermore, he attacks the Churchlands (supposed "allies" in his campaign in support of Strong AI) in their reasoning capacities for failing to see this point he so astutely raises. Perhaps, in a stolid, deterministic world where emotions are bleak representa- tions of mere "sensory inputs," Svend's arguments would carry some weight. But in a world enriched by the subtleties of life, his "intelligence" as a function of outward appearance is exceedingly bland. -shane "the Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rollah"