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From: pavlov@canisius.UUCP (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: status of Ingres
Message-ID: <3002@canisius.UUCP>
Date: 11 Nov 90 05:18:15 GMT
References: <Nov.1.00.04.36.1990.16492@athos.rutgers.edu> <2987@canisius.UUCP> <PCG.90Nov7195806@teachk.cs.aber.ac.uk>
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In article <PCG.90Nov7195806@teachk.cs.aber.ac.uk>, pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
> ....aren't you exxagerating a bit here? should not you be more
> cautious with what you say and gross generalizations thereof? 

  Yes, you are right and I apologize.  I will take your advice (and suggest
  that you do the same).

  Actually, I believe that you are correct in your assessment overall: the
  problem is not INGRES, but the DEC platform.  And, taking this a step fur-
  ther, it is patently obvious from the letters that I received that all
  platforms on which INGRES 6 runs are similarly flawed - some less, some more,
  but all (surprisingly) with the same fatal flaws.

  So the solution is really very simple:  we, using your thorough "analysis"
  as a guide, convince all the vendors involved to correct their systems. 
  They can save a lot of time and effort by working together since, as I noted,
  they all have the same faults.  Once this is done, INGRES should operate
  without a hitch, managing our databases instead of munging them.

  A beautiful concept.  I bet Ashton-Tate wished it had thought of it.  And
  Oracle.... and...


   thanks for the insights,

       greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny
       pavlov@stewart.fstrf.org


  (the alternative is tougher but one that INGRES is rumored to be working on:
   fixing the bugs in INGRES.  Version 6.3 is supposed to be out now for some
   platforms, with positive results.  I hope so, both for INGRES's sake and
   its customers.  I sincerely believe that INGRES was among the very best of
   the DBMS vendors for a long time, producing an excellent system but not 
   knowing how to market it.  They seem to have stumbled badly with the new 
   server architecture.  I would really like to see them recover and get back
   on track.  And with better marketing  :-).