Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: motcid!benyukhi@uunet.uu.net (Ed Benyukhis) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: ISDN Frame Relay Service Message-ID: <14615@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 90 14:29:48 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Div., Arlington Hgts, IL Lines: 46 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 813, Message 8 of 8 In article <14396@accuvax.nwu.edu>, zweig@cs.uiuc.edu (Johnny Zweig) writes: > I was talking to Van Jacobson last week and he described a service his > local telco is going to offer real soon now in which the customer sets > up virtual calls using the D-channel and then dumps HDLC frames onto > the B-channel and they get routed by the CO switch. Zounds! This > sounds really neat -- the functionality of IP coming right out of the > funny-looking ISDN jack on the wall. > Does anyone know more about this service? I am mostly interested in > how reliable the frame delivery would be, whether frames would be > delivered in order, whether one could set up calls to the same > destination over both B-channels in a PRI (to crank out 128kbps to a > single other machine) and that sort of thing. The way you describe the connection and looking at the data transfer rate, you are referring to a BRI and not a PRI. The subject, of your post semms to suggest that you want to know more about Broadband ISDN services and recomendation. Frame Relay Service is really an OC-1 CCITT standard that is being implemented with laboratory equipment and in laboratory conditions at this point. If it is a BRI that you want know about, as it is currently implemented on some CO switches, here it is: B-channel connection can be provisioned with either packet or circuit services or both on-demand (ODB). All connections over the B-channel are set-up via D-channel Q.931 control messages. However, in the case of a circuit switched connection, layers 2-7 are not defined nor used. Users can/should provide their own synchronization and error control mechanisms. In the case of the Packet Switching over the B-channel, layer 2 is LAPB and layer 3 is X.25. You get your basic synch, error correction and the flow control with these two layers. Yes, PVC guarantees that frames will be delivered in order, and yes, both B-channesl can be routed to the same destination address. I am not really sure if this is what you are looking for of if it is different ISDN services you are interested in. Drop me a line if you want to find out more about ISDN or BISDN. Regards, Edward Benyukhis, Motorola, CIG (708) 632-4658