Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus!agate!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: gordonl@microsoft.UUCP (Gordon LETWIN) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Microsoft Use of 900 Number for Tech Support Message-ID: <14711@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 90 01:27:47 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Lines: 55 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 823, Message 5 of 12 In article <14517@accuvax.nwu.edu>, john@mojave.ati.com (John Higdon) writes: > hpubvwa!ssc!Tad.Cook@beaver.cs.washington.edu writes: > > Higdon has a HUMBLE OPINION??!? No, but seriously, they recently > > instituted this for support of MS DOS ONLY ... all their applications > > support is free. > Oh, I see. The "product" that put them on the map (other than a BASIC) > is treated as a second-rate stepsister. The company has to protect > itself from all those unwashed masses who might actually have some > legitimate problem (oh, but how could they--DOS is perfect, right?) What a hostile person you are. If you reasoned as well as you hate you'd get somewhere. DOS has been sold strictly as an OEM product. That means it was "wholesaled" to an OEM for them to sell with their product, the computer. Microsoft receives only a few dollars a copy for each MS-DOS. In a similar manner, car makers may license a Bosch ABS system. If you have a problem with that ABS, you don't call Bosch, you call GM. GM made the retail profit on the product and part of their contract with Bosch is that GM supports it. The same holds true for MS-DOS. Part of our contract with the OEM is that they support the product they sell, not us. We provide support to OUR customer - the OEM. They can call us any time. We also provide them training programs, I'm pretty sure. One thing which confuses people is that the disks say Microsoft all over them, whereas their ABS system just says "GM". This makes it harder for folks to understand that they bought it from the OEM, not Microsoft. There's two reasons for this. One is Copyright. The ABS is protected by patents, but software is protected by Copyright. One requirement for copyright protection is a notice; our product *has* to say Microsoft on it and in it to be protected. Secondly, an operating system is a standard product and the OEM needs to assure the customer that they're getting the real standard, so the OEM wants to make sure that the user knows it's Microsoft DOS. In the early years this wasn't always true; some OEMs forbade us to say that their BASIC was Microsoft BASIC. So we offer "free" support for our retail products because we received the retail markup and support is one of the things you do to earn that money. We didn't receive the retail markup for DOS, the OEM did, and the OEM is the person who needs to support it; that was their agreement. As a convenience to customers who don't want to call the OEM or whose OEM's are not doing a good job, Microsoft now offers support for DOS, but we have to charge for it now since we didn't get any money for that service when we sold your OEM the DOS. gordon letwin not an official microsoft spokesperson