Path: utzoo!utgpu!cunews!cognos!jimp
From: jimp@cognos.UUCP (Jim Patterson)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: scope of malloc
Message-ID: <9041@cognos.UUCP>
Date: 13 Nov 90 21:50:58 GMT
References: <1990Nov07.134942.7355@virtech.uucp> <1990Nov7.234315.15508@athena.mit.edu> <3729@skye.ed.ac.uk> <14413@smoke.brl.mil> <3739@skye.ed.ac.uk>
Reply-To: jimp@cognos.UUCP (Jim Patterson)
Organization: Cognos Inc., Ottawa, Canada
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In article <3739@skye.ed.ac.uk> richard@aiai.UUCP (Richard Tobin) writes:
>In article <14413@smoke.brl.mil> gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
>
>>>You have the choice of rejecting machines or compilers with such serious
>>>deficiencies as making alloca() impossible.
>
>>What nonsense.  Being unlike a VAX is hardly a "serious deficiency".
>
>As you know, there are plenty of machines that are quite unlike vaxes
>that implement alloca().  I think you would even agree that there are
>very few machines on which it is impossible.  So I think your comment
>is pointless.

Even alloca() on a VAX can be trouble, as I found out from direct
experience. When we first moved our products onto VAX/VMS using VAX-11
C (yes, VAX/VMS, not Ultrix or something else), we used a variant of
alloca() written in assembler (not too hard to do).  However, we found
that when we compiled our products with the /OPTIMIZE switch they
broke.  It turns out that VAX-11 C likes to address one or two words
off of the stack pointer SP since this generates shorter instructions
than frame-pointer-relative instructions for those particular
variables. By moving the stack pointer (what any typical alloca
implementation does), and not telling the compiler about it, we broke
the code.

Since /OPTIMIZE was more important for us than occasional increased
code efficiency using alloca(), we stopped using alloca(). We haven't
regretted it.

This could be fixed by a compiler-builtin, as Sun has done. We weren't
able to do this though since we don't have (and don't care to have)
the source to VAX-11 C.
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