Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:71885 comp.sys.mac.misc:5865 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:3793 misc.legal:22677 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!tuvie!iiasa!wnp From: wnp@iiasa.ac.at (wolf paul) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.legal Subject: Re: Shrinkwrap licensing (Was: Do *NOT* reveal or mention "hacking") Message-ID: <954@iiasa.UUCP> Date: 16 Nov 90 09:38:54 GMT References: <1990Nov15.000626.25016@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <1990Nov15.200548.18846@isis.cs.du.edu> <1990Nov15.214511.19914@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Sender: news@iiasa.AT Reply-To: wnp%iiasa@relay.eu.net (wolf paul) Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria Lines: 33 In article <1990Nov15.214511.19914@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes: > In summary, I suspect that the reason that there hasn't been a >challenge to shrinkwrap licensing is that, at least in most >jurisdictions, there are no grounds on which to proceed that wouldn't >immediately run up against this embarrassing precedent: shrinkwrap >licensing is just a type of implicit contract and these have >consistently been found to be legal and valid. Anyone approaching a >lawyer with a view to challenging the license agreement would probably >just get told that it's futile. But there is a good common law argument against shrinkwrap licenses: If someone advertises something for sale, and you buy it, you have a legal right to expect that what you get is what was advertised. The people who sell software (stores, mailorder places) usually offer PROGRAMS for sale, not LICENSES to USE PROGRAMS; and unless it is clearly apparent that what they are selling is not what they are advertising before you hand over your money and they hand over the product, you have BOUGHT a PROGRAM, not a license. If you buy in a store, and the license is on the outside of the package, they could argue that you accepted the license by buying the package; however, if the license is INSIDE the package, or if you buy sight unseen from a mailorder place which advertised a PROGRAM for sale, they have no way of arguing that what you were sold is what the license states rather than what the advertising and the resulting implicit purchase contract states. -- Wolf N. Paul, UNIX SysAdmin, IIASA, A - 2361 Laxenburg, Austria, Europe PHONE: +43-2236-71521-465 FAX: +43-2236-71313 UUCP: uunet!iiasa!wnp INTERNET: wnp%iiasa@relay.eu.net BITNET: tuvie!iiasa!wnp@awiuni01.BITNET