Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!ames!dftsrv!amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov!xrtnt From: xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: IBM a great game machine Message-ID: <3903@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: 13 Nov 90 18:40:40 GMT References: <9240@aggie.ucdavis.edu> <11479@hubcap.clemson.edu> Sender: news@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov Reply-To: xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA Lines: 95 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 In article , tjantune@niksula.hut.fi (Timo Jantunen) writes... ^In article <45803@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v092mgp5@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott K Wood) writes: ^>In article , tjantune@niksula.hut.fi (Timo Jantunen) writes... ^ ^>[stuff deleted] ^ ^>>Simulators are also faster (of course if one has a fast PC). ^> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^> Sure, a simulator on a 20Mhz IBM might be a bit faster than the Amiga, ^>but it had better be! The a machine that fast is running almost 3 times ^>faster. I still find it humorous that it takes such a fast IBM to even ^>compete with the 8Mhz Amiga. NOTHING compares to the Amiga for games. ^>After all, the Amiga INITIAL purpose was to be a blow-'em all away game ^>system. ^ ^I compared Amiga to 20Mhz 386 because I have them both. I wouldn't have enough ^experience about 10 to 12 Mhz AT (roughtly as fast as Amiga) to do the ^comparation. NOTHING compares to Amiga for games THAT NEEDS superior sounds ^and FAST graphics. There are also games, which needs a fast mass memory (HD) ^and much computing power (solid vector graphics). In these areas PC is better ^(very few amiga multiload games can be run from harddisk). ^ Hmmm...I thought SCSI was faster than the IBM equivalent. Anyway DMA SCSI isn't a slouch and physical disk SCSI drive speed are quicky approaching the point were animations from the HD is possible. These are programming issues and not hardware ones. I'd also take a 68030 Ami over a 386 IBM for solid vector graphics. Not exactly a hardware issue either but a programming one (at least at the OS level) in terms of accessable computing power. The reason that some Ami games aren't HD installable is because some game companies live in the stone age or just don't give enough of a damn to do it. ^ [piracy deleted] ^ ^ ^> What game DOESN'T use music and graphics? The Amiga is superior in the area ^>of games! True, there are a lot of PC games that are not out for the Amiga, ^>but this doesn't mean that the PC is better for games! ^ ^Have you ever played HACK, NETHACK, MORIA, LARN, OMEGA, etc. ???? ^This are really Games (if you don't think so, look at rec.games.hack, ^rec.games.moria etc). ^In every game the graphics or sounds aren't the most important thing. Some ^games require much memory and/or fast hard disk (my nethack on PC is currently ^over 800k). I also think that PSI-5 is still one of the best games on PC ^(4-color 320x200 graphics, uses only internal speaker and it is so old that ^it never appeared on Amiga). Hmmm...explain why my 3 meg Ami/2091/Quantum is inferior as a machine to your generic 386 clone in terms of memory or disk speed? BTW: Moria and NetHack runs fine off my HD. ^ ^You didn't understand me right. I didn't say that PC is better for games in ^ALL areas. I only said that PC is more suitable for some games (usually ^RPG or solid vector graphics) than Amiga. I also think that it makes no sense ^to purchase PC _only_ for games (I didn't), but if one has both PC and Amiga ^that doesn't mean that he plays only with Amiga. ^ ^If one has to purchase ONE machine only for games, I would suggest him to ^buy Amiga (except if he wants mainly play RPGs or simulators). Sorry. You can say (and I would agree) that the IBM has more simulation games (or perhaps games in general) but as a hardware platform the two are hardly comparable except at the ultra high end. And when was the last time you saw a game targeted at the 486/targa card combo? ;-) So please don't insult our intelligence over the wonders of IBM hd/memory advantages. If you must gloat do so about the number of titles you guys have...or that you tend to get them a few months before we do. With Harpoon, F19, Falcon, Gunship, 688, Red Storm Rising, and quite a few others there's more than enough simulation/strategy games to whet even my appetite to play general, admiral or Tom Cruise. Variants of hack and empire don't interest me much anymore (although I still burn hours on Moria...). ObGame: Is M1 Tank Platoon out for the Ami? I don't recall but the IBM version is too fun not to have... ^ ^-- ^Timo Jantunen : Every time you try to operate one of these weird Let's bury this thread. It's more than a little silly. NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC COBE Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.