Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uoft02.utoledo.edu!desire.wright.edu!cse0735 From: cse0735@desire.wright.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: BITNET mail follows Message-ID: <1990Oct28.163343.1656@desire.wright.edu> Date: 28 Oct 90 21:33:43 GMT References: <9010161445.AA25249@apple.com> Organization: University Computing Services, Wright State University Lines: 70 In article <9010161445.AA25249@apple.com>, ENT0022@OUACCVMB.BITNET writes: > TODAY, I WENT THE LOCAL DEALER, I SAW THEY DISPLAYED THE NEW LOW END MAC, > MACINTOSH CLASSIC. AT THE SAME TIME, I FOUND A 20 PAGES "INTRO NEWS" > AND A VIDEO INTRODUCE MACINTOSH AND THE NEW THREE MAC FROM APPLE. > THE SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICES FROM APPLE FOR THE NEW MAC IN THE "INTRO > NEWS" ARE: > > MAC CLASSIC (1MB) (INCLUDES KEYBOARD) $999 > MAC CLASSIC HARD DISK 40 (2MB) (INCLUDES KEYBOARD) $1499 > MAC LC HARD DISK 40 CPU (2MB) (INCLUDES KEYBOARD) $2499 > (SIGLE- AND DUAL-FLOPPY CONFIGURATIONS AVAILABLE IN EDUCATION MARKET > ONLY) > > MAC IISI HARD DISK 40 CPU (2MB) $3769 > MAC IISI HARD DISK 80 CPU (5MB) $4569 > > AFTER SEEING NEW MAC, I WENT TO A MAGAZINE STORE. I SAW THIS OCT 15,1990 > ISSUE BUSSINESSWEEK REPORT ABOUT APPLE. THE COVER PAGE PRINT: > > APPLE COMPUTER > > NEW TEAM, NEW STRATEGY > > WITH SALE STALLED AND MARKET SHARE SLIPPING, > APPLE IS MAKING BIG CHANGES: LOWER PRICES, > NEW MODELS, AND ULTIMATELY A SUCCESSOR TO THE > MACINTOSH. > > INSIDE THE REPORT, THEY ALL TALK ABOUT PRESENT AND FUTURE PLAN FOR MAC. > IF I AM NOT WRONG, THEY HAVEN'T MENTION II AT ALL. AFTER READING THIS, > MY FRIENDS AND I DECIDED THAT WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THIS END OF THE YEAR, > IF NO GREAT NEWS FOR THE II, WE WILL KISS APPLE GOOD BYE. FOR SURE, > OURS NEXT COMPUTER WILL NOT BE MAC. After attending the rollout of new computers I was highly dissapointed (again) to see a total lack of II stuff. The IIe emulator board was running Appleworks for about 5 minutes and then they went back to mac. The packet had a pamphlet showing the entire Apple line which of course did not show a single II item. Scully mentioned in his speech "Macintosh and our other products" like he was afraid to say the II word. They had on a table the entire mac line with all the screens synchronized together, and of course there was no IIgs/c/e to be seen. This I think was the last straw. I am now planning to fix the battery in my GS and sell it and buy an Amiga or something. I am well aware of all the problems with the II market I'm basicly fed up with Apple. I started with a II+ about 8 years ago and bought the GS about 4 years ago with high hopes. Apple has gone out of thier way to make life hard on me with thier lack of support. I use a Mac at work and think it's a fince machine, but I probably will never buy one. I'm really not even sure how stable Apple is as a company. I have talked with many GSers and most feel the same way. I may be taking quite a few people with me. I really hate to do it since I have been an Apple fanatic for so long (yes I have a big Apple rug hanging on my wall, Apple mugs, Apple shirts etc.) it is quite hard to do, but the II is dead. The Amiga reminds me so much of what I was expecting the GS to be. Lots of sofwtare, lots of vendor, and most importantly support from the manufacturer. My main interests in computers are music and graphics. The GS had the capability, but it never went anywhere. Sure Diversi- Tune and SoundSmith were nice, but take a look through an Amiga World and see all the high quality software. Not just 2 or 3 packages, but several dozen. And the IIgs was just to slow for do anything really good graphics wise. The Modulae demo looks nice, but I saw many similar demos on the Amiga that were much better. I keep asking people to tell me I'm making a big mistake (and support it) but so far nobody I've talked to seemed to think so. A used GS might fetch about 1100 and a used 8 Mhz 1MB A2000 is about 900. Plus the thing has co-processors galore and decent sound (although far from GS quality). SO anyone have a good reason for me not to switch? I'd really like to hear it. Email or post. Maybe we can get some posts about whats good in the II from replys to this message. Chris Blouch IIgs SIG leader for Apple Dayton Users Group