Xref: utzoo comp.sys.apple2:8543 comp.sys.amiga:71787 comp.sys.mac.misc:5811 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:3724 misc.legal:22648 rec.music.synth:17176 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!ox.com!caen!math.lsa.umich.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!kadoi From: kadoi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Yasumoto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.legal,rec.music.synth Subject: Re: Do *NOT* reveal or mention "hacking" information (was Re: paper clip trick) Keywords: whatever Message-ID: <1061@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 90 09:57:38 GMT References: <14087@arisia.Xerox.COM> <56332@brunix.UUCP> <1990Nov14.225408.19202@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: kadoi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Yasumoto / Richard M. Kadoi) Organization: Academic Computing and Network Services, Evanston, Il. Lines: 68 **** ATTENTION **** this next post is a commentary and is NOT the expressed opinion of the client from which is posted NOR its users. These comments are purely of my own and are of no ones. I don't want to keep re-hashing this so if you're tired of reading it, skip it. Otherwise read on, and let it goes as that. Thanks =) Have a nice day! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I really hate to continue this (and if you do, skip this article altogether) but the idea that people are becoming more and more paranoid about the net being policed in such a way makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I do understand that the net is paid by government grants, and companies of various interest. Yes I understand the question of legality that does arise in situations like this. BUT, what I do not like and do understand is the overall concensus by most is to CENSOR information that is 'helpful' yet construed(sp?) as 'illegal' in some/most cases. THIS IS WRONG. (these opinons are of my own and do not reflect the opinions of the client nor its users). If some of you can recall, a few-many months ago, Operation Sun-Devil took place across the U.S., with a charge of conspiracy and electronic felony being the main forrunner of the trial. FORTUNATELY, all charges were cleared and action is/might be taken against Bell South/MCI as well as other agencies that were involved in this incident. It involved the government as well as other companies of various interest. The reason: to track down and find systems' that were distributing a document describing the operations of the 911 telephone network system. Fact: it was a documentation that turned out to be available to the PUBLIC for $13 via Ma-Bell. Fact: Bell South/MCI ranted and raved about a possible 911 shut-down when in fact there could never have been (the pamphlet described how the 911 systems operation works, and if you're not a technical person that knows telecommunications, the words look like some unknown foriegn language). My point: a large company, with many interests was alerted by an employee about a possible break-in and 'theft' of a file that alledgely contained information on how to 'disable the 911 system', calls the government, complains in detail that 'this file is dangerous in the hands of the wrong person and can cause damage to the phone system as well as the community' so what does the government do? They pull a stint like this and get theirselves caught with their pants down because they didn't know what was going on. The point is that MANY GOOD systems were shut-down because of this 'alledged' file, one of them here in Chicago, that was a base for INFORMATION, like the library about many different topics (from SEX to COOKING) and my gripe is what has happened to this country when our freedom to exchange information under the free speech act has become so crippled that now, on the net, the paranoia arises to a pitch that is so high no one can listen nor care anymore? Are we going to let ourselves submit to a blatent violation of our basic rights to free speech by the GOVERNMENT when in fact its supposed to be protecting the interests of the bill of rights OVERSEAS in the middle east??? Again, I do understand the net is not as public as thought to be by most, but since it IS used by many persons, and this IS a database for information, why cannot we trade the information so desired? Sure we're not trading military secrets, but that's understandable if we did. But we aren't. We are here to give insight, as well as help to others whom are asking, and whom aren't trying to commit an act of crime. Lets keep thinking that way at least. Lets try to keep the humanity of this still intact while we can. I know I'd sure like to try... re: again, this is a commentary about the recent posts, they do NOT reflect the client from which is posted, nor any of its users. flames are not welcomed please. all opinions expressed are of my own. replies not nessesary. "Freedom Exists, Big Brother is Born" | rick@chinet.chi.il.us | Richard M. Kadoi "Freedom Suffers, Big Brother Watches"| ...clout!gargoyle!chinet.chi.il.us!rick "Freedom Dies, Big Brother Controls" | kadoi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 'If we let ourselves be ruled in tyranny, then we are nothing as humans'